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Mahmood Sariolghalam: An Insider's Look at the Iranian Nuclear Situation

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On the evening of April 10th, I had the good fortune to sit in on a speech at Ohio State by one Mahmood Sariolghalam. His credentials are pretty good, click that link for more details. The speech took place at OSU's Mershon Center, before an audience of what I took to be mostly political science faculty and graduate students. He spoke for about 40 minutes regarding his views on the current nuclear situation between Iran and the West. It is rare for Americans to get to meet with and listen to Iranians these days, so it was a great opportunity. The quality of his speech was such that I'd like to do my best to share some of his insights with you.

I don't have an official transcript, but I scribbled notes as best I could for the duration of the speech. What follows is my reconstruction of his speech, which had three basic parts.

History of Iranian Nuclear Development
Iran's nuclear program started in 1975. The instigating factor was a study done by Standford University, which acknowledged that due to the fact that Iran was 1) rapidly developing and 2) home to an increasing population, a nuclear program was justified and would help the developing country into the modern world.

This was due in large part to the fact that Iran had signed the NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty) in 1968 (ratified in Iran in 1970), and because the Shah's government was on good terms with the West.

In 1976, French and British companies came to Iran to help them build a reactor. Work began in 1976 on a 20,000 Megawatt nuclear power plant in southern Iran. In 1978, a Japanese company also came in to help with the enrichment of Uranium.

When the revolution broke out in 1979, the foreign companies left Iran with their work unfinished. The war with Iraq, which took place from 1980 until 1988, caused an extended break in Iran's nuclear development, but by the 1990's they were ready to resume production. However, there was a different government in place – one not as friendly with the West.

The result was that instead of having Britain, France and Japan come back to finish their work of 10 years prior, Iran sought aid from Russia and China, who were happy to oblige. Thus throughout the 1990's the western media occasionally dropped a few grumbles – "Iran is pursuing a secret nuclear weapons agenda…" – but it was never treated as any sort of a serious threat.

It is important to note that no distinction is made between civilian nuclear technology and nuclear weapon technology. For most purposes, the two are treated as interchangeable – the reason being that once you have the resources for one, you can modify them and begin the other within something like 4 months, maybe less. There is no hard line between a "peaceful nuclear program" and a "nuclear weapon program," and this lack of distinction is constantly in play.

In September of 2002, the IAEA declared that Iran's nuclear enrichment program was bigger than it had to be for simple civilian purposes. This led to increased suspicions in the West that perhaps Iran's nuclear program was indeed geared for more than just power plants – however, in 2002 and even today we know that Iran is still a long way from functional civilian nuclear capability, let alone the slightly more advanced nuclear weapon technology.

So What's the Problem Now?
The basic problem with Iran's nuclear program is not technical, legal, or institutional – it is strictly political.

Iran is culturally, economically, and commercially integrated with the rest of the world. However, in terms of security, they are totally isolated – and as a result (or, this is a result of…?), the leadership focuses on a more internal approach to national security.

It is helpful to draw a comparison to China, another large post-Revolutionary country. Both countries were humiliated by repeated Western incursion into their domain.

Revolutions, then, led to consolidations geared towards self-sustainability. In China, they developed socially but they also guided their post-revolutionary framework economically and internationally. They had a handful of intellectuals and leaders who were able to channel the revolutionary energy into sustainable economic and political policies, and in so doing they were able to forge a niche for China as a part of the world stage.

Iran, however, lacked those sorts of experts. The reform brought about by the revolution did not lead to directed changes in economics, but rather to a new focus on internal management of national security. Iran is now run by 1st generation revolutionaries. They lack leadership which is savvy in terms of international relations and economics – this gives the impression that all of Iran is sort of reactionary and revolutionary, but this isn't true. It is the nation's leadership that is revolutionary – the populace is not.

In the 1980s, Iran was an offensive revolutionary power. All revolutions try to some degree to impose their worldview not only on the country they are overthrowing but on the outside world as well, and this led to a very aggressive stance. This has changed – Iran is no longer so offensive and aggressive about its revolutionary policies. Rather, they are defensive.

Nevertheless, Iran still exerts a strong influence over other countries in the region. It is this influence in the middle east that acts as a bargaining chip vis-à-vis relations with the US – Iran is able to exert a sort of constant threat of destabilization in the region, but does not exercise it. This leads to a sort of equilibrium where they are able to maintain their position.

One question frequently raised is, why is ok for India (which has not signed the NPT) and Pakistan (which is led by a military dictator) to have nuclear arms, while Iran cannot? There are two factors at play when a country is about to become a nuclear power. The world looks at their capability and their intentions. India and Pakistan certainly have some issues, but by and large both their capability and their generally good intentions are transparent. Iran, however, due to its deeply internal approach to national security, lacks transparency in terms of intentions.

Moreover, there is a complicating element: the leadership of Iran periodically makes inflammatory overtures towards Israel, which is perceived for such purposes as a representative of The West, albeit within striking distance. So, if Iran seeks nuclear capability but makes threats against Israel, a gap opens up between capability and intention – in other words, it becomes a political issue.

Iran insists on its right to a civilian nuclear program, and the West is not denying this right – however, given the aforementioned blurry border between civilian nuclear capability and military nuclear capability, there needs to be an increase in transparency regarding Iran's actual intentions.

Again, Iran is a developing nation with a growing population. Iran's population is projected to reach 100 million people by 2018. Right now, 71% of the population is under 30. That's a huge number, and this demographic is doing what 20-somethings around the world do – they are looking for work and stability in an increasingly globalized world. ½ of Iran's oil production is consumed internally, and these factors have led many experts to argue that it would be better for Iran to diversify its natural resources. (Myk's Note: I'm not entirely sure what this paragraph really means)

What it boils down to is that the revolution is evolving – soon the 2nd generation will be in charge, nationalism is emerging, and in general everything in Iran is changing. The foreign policy is currently rhetorical and revolutionary – but the economic policy, which is free of the influence of the revolutionary leaders, continues to be progressive and open to international participation. Once the Foreign Policy and the Economic Policy are in line, things will be much more stable and it will be a lot easier to deal with these issues.

For now, though, the relationship between Iran and the US is dictated by, essentially, a lack of relationship – they have no diplomatic channels open, and their every interaction is characterized by distrust and rhetoric. Iran has called the US the "Great Satan," and the US has labeled Iran as a member of the "Axis of Evil." Obviously, none of this helps.

Potential Outcomes

  1. Iran will agree to a long-term (10+ year) suspension of its enrichment program. Why 10 years? Because there is a good chance that within that time all of the change boiling on the horizon will come to pass, and a much more moderate/progressive government will replace the first generation revolutionaries. This will naturally lead to a much less complex nuclear dialogue between Iran and the West, and is basically the ideal outcome. If this happens, there is hope for a complete resolution.
  2. Iran will refuse the 10+ year suspension, insisting instead of something like 2 years. Within those two years, they will work to improve relations and try to increase transparency regarding their intentions, to ease the process. This is a problematic outcome – the US, in closing diplomatic channels with Iran, has essentially "outsourced" its Iran Nuclear Policy to Europe. If Iran insists on a 2-year suspension, this will lead to a crisis – not only will Bush still be in power in 2 years, but so will the current French, German and British governments. None of these leaders want to simply postpone the problem until later into their administration – they want a resolution.

    If this comes to pass, will it lead to a military crisis? Possibly. This would take place in the near future, within a few years, and would be contingent on how domestic US policies work out and also on what happens in Iraq. If the US attacks, even through minor surgical bombing, it will lead to war. If Israel attacks, it will be treated as though the US has attacked. In any case, regardless of how such a conflict would start it would almost certainly take place with Iraq as the primary battlefield.

    This is the absolute worst outcome – in the event of a war, the progressive populace would circle the wagons, as it were, and run to their leadership for protection. This would increase the revolutionary/reactionary zeal of the Iranian government and spread it throughout the otherwise cosmopolitan populace, leading to a much less desirable social composition.

  3. A temporary solution will be reached through compromise. This would likely take the form of an extended suspension of nuclear activities in return for economic/technical benefits. But the bottom line here is politics – both between US/Israel and Iran, and within Iran itself.

The Iranian leadership here could stand to learn from Richard Nixon. A man whose anti-communist sympathies were beyond question, he managed to negotiate a working relationship with Communist China. It is essential.

The bottom line is that given enough time the situation in Iran will change such that the nuclear question is no longer such a cataclysmic issue. However, for that to happen we need to allow this time to pass. This is not a problem that can be solved quickly, and most certainly not a problem that can be solved with mutual rhetoric and baiting.

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{"commentId":92913,"authorDomain":"danish"}

Good article, very eloquent - goes to both your writing and, I suspect, the source that influenced it.

"They lack leadership which is savvy in terms of international relations and economics..."

Are you kidding? It's the original sin in developing countries, being naive to the intentions of the West. Any mistake will be exploited in this game. If it wasn't for the fact that both US and EU sorely lacks savvy leadership - don't tell me the Neocons know what they are doing - Iran would be in a bad way already. They are surviving mainly because of the blunders of the Western powers, and it's really quite miraculous to witness.

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Reply#1 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":92918,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Thanks for the kind words, Claus - means a lot, coming from you. And you make a good point - their leadership is so backwards that it's amazing they've lasted this long. Conversely, you could argue that it goes to show just how much can be accomplished by digging your heels in.

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#1.1 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":92937,"authorDomain":"danish"}

Yea, sad to say, sometimes acting completely insane is some sort of strategy. It's like the school yard, really: Survival of the "fittiest" (most prone to throw a fit), he he... I sure hope Ahmadinejad is just acting insane, because it would really be a great shame to witness the destruction of a wonderful nation like Iran over these anti-semitic rants.

There's a lot of people saying that Iran has a system change ready at hand, if need be. Obviously, they just want to see if they can get away with getting nuclear power first, before they soften their stance. The question is, if they can pull it off. There's just so many variables at play at the moment, and the time lock gets tighter and tighter. Need be may be right around the alley...

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#1.2 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":92966,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

This speaker pointed out, too, that Ahamadinejad came into office with no experience whatsoever in foreign policy or foreign relations - he was strictly a domestic guy, and I think his cozy attitude with country prejudices reflects that. The argument is, he just doesn't know any better.

I'm not sure if I buy that. But it's possible.

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#1.3 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:34 PM EDT
{"commentId":93022,"authorDomain":"danish"}

I tend to be cautious about "informed insiders", "Iranian dissidents" and "Iranians in exile". The paranoid phrase "who does it serve" always pop up, when I talk to them, and sometimes probably unjustly.

If you are interested in an inside view on how some Arabs (Saudi Arabia) currently estimate or spin, if you like, the Iranian influence on the continent, you should read this round up of commentaries from Arab newspapers (daily updated, so link may not be valid tomorrow).

The thing is, this whole Iranian affair is much more "important" than Iraq - by this, I mean, Iran was the beginning of the great Oil Wars, and Iranians - through their historical mix up with USA and CIA covert operations - have become deeply soaked in the complex game strategies of international politics, and you never really know where they are going with whatever they got going.

Come to think of it, this goes for the entire region: The widespread perception of a particularly conspiracy theory oriented mentality among Arabs and Persians may be rooted in the fact that the region has suffered from so many instigated revolutions, coups and assassinations/covert and false flag operations/lies and intrigues and manipulations, and now it's just hard to separate reality from imagination...? (wondering)

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#1.4 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":93058,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Claus,

That's a pretty good point. It's like we in the west pretty much take it for granted that there's something fishy going on, ya know? It's in all our movies, in our headlines, in our TV shows - the complexities of the arab oil games are such that we couldn't possibly understand who is really on whose side, etc.

So, in a sense yes, it's hard to pin down some things, due to the heavily-CIA-influenced poltical environment. On the other hand, we must avoid the temptation to throw our hands up and assume that we can never understand what's really going on.

I think.

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#1.5 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":93081,"authorDomain":"danish"}

I agree that the situation is generally intelligible. It's just that it takes a considerable amount of research and openness to different sources presenting the "facts" to get a 20/20 view of what is taking place, and complexity is reverse proportional to dissemination. Meaning: Most people don't have the patience to dwell on a subject long enough to figure it out, so there is a lot of spin and random speculation influencing policies/attitudes.

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#1.6 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":93984,"authorDomain":"OnKey"}

Guys, how arrogant is it to say that its because of the "US and EU sorely lack[ing] savvy leadership" are to blame for the current problems, while saying that perhaps its Iran's and Ahamadinejad's lack savvy is forgivable.

Come on .. a kid behind the wheel that runs me down, is no less responsible than the old man.

For that matter, its arrogant to even assume that since Ahamadinejad is new .. that somehow his lack of savvy means he doesn't mean what he is saying.

Come on guys .. quite intellectualizing this... how can on one hand we call our politicians idiots, and then switch views and feel sorry for them for being inexperienced. Make up your minds, as in theory .. the leaders we ALL have are as a result of our participation or lack there of, yes?

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#1.7 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:17 AM EDT
{"commentId":94003,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Well, this isn't a complete excuse but I think that in a case like this it's perfectly fair to say that, quite frankly, the US should know better. We've had a much longer time as major world players, and lord knows we've invested enough time and money in creating (read: undermining) Iran's political situation that there's little excuse for us not to have such a complete upper hand as to make this conflict trivial.

Is kinda how I look at it. But you're right, nobody is cutting Iran any slack here and they are really being bastards. It comes down to, what should we do about it?

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#1.8 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:31 AM EDT
{"commentId":94102,"authorDomain":"danish"}

Guys, how arrogant is it to say that its because of the "US and EU sorely lack[ing] savvy leadership" are to blame for the current problems, while saying that perhaps its Iran's and Ahamadinejad's lack savvy is forgivable.

I think it was me who said this, so I better explain. Like I write in a new article here on Newsvine, The Beginning of Oil Wars, the US and UK did overthrow the first democratically elected president in Iran, Mr. Mossadeqh, leading to the tyranny of the Shah. Moderate and reformist forces in Iran did support the Islamic revolution because of the widespread oppression of dissent and abuse of human rights under the Shah rule. USA did also instigate the war on Iran, supporting Saddam Hussein's war efforts.

These CIA covert operations led to the current rule of Iran, and the particular nature of the administration, so I think it is fair to say that Iran never had the chance to establish good governance, and that the current situation is a case of the chickens coming home to roost, or the ghost of Christmas past coming back to haunt Scrooge.

About the current US government, I think there is a balance between isolationism and rampant Neoconservative meddling. The thing is, the more you get involved with geopolitical intrigue, the more options are at the table, and I don't think it is very easy for revolving leaderships to handle these complexities. A side-effect of democracy, you may say, and one that ought to bring about some humility even in the most powerful of nations.

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#1.9 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":94213,"authorDomain":"OnKey"}

Claus,

You are well informed .. but again, if we go far enough into the past .. we can all talk about some wildly differing variables than the situation we are in today. Sure they make a difference .. but in regards to making today's leaders accountable for their actions, more than likely we need to focus on the more recent environment.

We could also go back to Soviet influence within Iraq too .. but it hardly has a reference to today's decisions.

Hell, I won't even you are say that you are wrong about the West as a whole getting what it deserves for its past failings.

However that doesn't provide solutions for the present. I can admit that the US has made MORE than its share of mistakes .. even if some can't or won't admit it. Going forward it will more than likely make many more.

I will even go so far as to say that going into Iraq when we did may have been a mistake .. however, it would likely be difficult for you to say that had we waited, that no intervention would have ever come. Uday and Qusay were in the wings after all .. and the UN would have still had the US and UK protecting the Kurds and others throughout Iraq.

So here we are with Iran. Even the Russians are not in support of their current behavior, and their government .. no matter what you say about Putin being formerly part of the KGB, is only roughly 15 years old. When a gun is being waved about .. should someone try to evaluate the experience of the wielder? We can go back in time where most of Europe waited. There are MANY examples where diplomacy has been given time to succeed, and the result was the still war. We can use quite recent examples too.

For that matter, diplomacy has us here with Iran now. The EU and UN has thus far had no luck with Iran.

I am not necessarily advocating a military option at this point .. but one has to seriously evaluate the current posturing as intentional and meaningful. These are not the short comings of someone sadly incapable coping with the current geopolitical intrigue in this world today.

Iran has made it very clear with actions, AND words its intentions. You go wave a gun at the police at a crime scene and say "I am trying to keep the peace". Somehow, I do feel that you will rightfully get shot.

Peace is something we should all aspire to. However, its not everyone's aspirations, and I don't feel as though Iran is demonstrating good faith in pursuing that path currently. You can say neither is the US, however, there are plenty of examples both recent and historically that the US has pursued peace too.

Regardless, we are still faced with what we have today, and that is that Iran has been lying to the international community repeatedly and in a very deadly and intentional way.

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#1.10 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":94221,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Regardless, we are still faced with what we have today, and that is that Iran has been lying to the international community repeatedly and in a very deadly and intentional way.

Just to clarify, what is the lie?

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    #1.11 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:11 PM EDT
    {"commentId":94239,"authorDomain":"danish"}

    Hell, I won't even you are say that you are wrong about the West as a whole getting what it deserves for its past failings.

    I am not saying the West is getting what it deserves.

    if we go far enough into the past .. we can all talk about some wildly differing variables than the situation we are in today. Sure they make a difference .. but in regards to making today's leaders accountable for their actions, more than likely we need to focus on the more recent environment.

    Not so far into the past. 1950-1980. Similar policies then as today. Perhaps suggest need for revision.

    Accountability: Not taking critical factors into consideration. Not getting the whole picture, failing to connect the dots, plan ahead. Unable to think more than one move ahead. Raising angst and anxiety, panic and paranoia. Erratic resolutions. Manipulations of intelligence to fit ephemeric agendas. Like p...'ing in pants to keep warm for a moment.

    = geopolitical ignorance.

    Good faith: Prove it. Settle the torture issue. Admit wrongdoings concerning Iraq. I back the ISC on the Iran stance, considering the USA the least of evils in this particular matter. After that, all bets are off, if there is no change in policies. Your move :-)

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    #1.12 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:27 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":92928,"authorDomain":"timtimmy"}

    This is really an excellent write up, it's very informative, and objective. More people should read it.

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    Reply#2 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:13 PM EDT
    {"commentId":92969,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

    Thanks timtimmy. I take no credit for the content, I was just really pleased to hear such a reasonable discussion of the whole thing and I'm glad I was in a position to jot enough of it down to present it. I wish more people would read this - the sort of ignorant posturing going on in any thread that deals with Iran suddenly seems really childish after hearing a single really well-thought-out position from an informed insider.

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    #2.1 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:35 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":93352,"authorDomain":"fcs"}

    Real, first-hand journalism on Newsvine!? Go Mykola!

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    Reply#3 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:01 PM EDT
    {"commentId":93385,"authorDomain":"200MilesUp"}

    Great, great article. Very well written too.

    The perspectives you mention here might unfortunately never get into the debate, especially in the US where the media breaks it all into 3 options; a) Iran "allowed" to get weapon, nukes Israel, b) US Nukes Iran before that can happen, c) US doesn't nuke Iran but otherwise "prevents" it.

    All the other issues.....well they don't fit the mould.

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    Reply#4 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:29 PM EDT
    {"commentId":93506,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

    Thanks for the support, ya'll.

    Oluseye, sadly you're right. The dialogue in the US is focussed more on the idea of "Oh yeah? Well we already HAVE nukes!", so it's difficult to get any sort of meaningful discourse going. It's too bad that this guy was only speaking to a small crowd of specialized academics. I'm not saying he's the be-all end-all of iranian commentary, but this is so much more intelligent than anything we'll hear on any media, including, may I add, newsvine - until now. All the AP stories and seeds and comment threads to this point have been of the shallow variety.

    I wish we could get a few more informed people making their views known.

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    Reply#5 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:27 PM EDT
    {"commentId":93913,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

    I created a post some time ago called Nuclear Powered Iran it contains the history of the Bushehr nuclear power plant

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      Reply#6 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:29 AM EDT
      {"commentId":93996,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

      Cool, can you put up a link?

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        #6.1 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:26 AM EDT
        {"commentId":94020,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

        Just click on my name and scroll down to the storey

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          #6.2 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:40 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":93995,"authorDomain":"mogmaar"}

          Great article, as others have mentioned. I am surprised to see both you and Claus so easily explaining a lot of actions in terms of naivite and incompetency. While I'm sure that happens, I have a hard time imagining how either country's overall policy can be guided by real ignorance. Instances, yes, policy no. But I'm no expert on the area of recent events there.

          Another thing that I am really wondering about is the reference to India and Pakistan's nuclear program and defense,

          India and Pakistan certainly have some issues, but by and large both their capability and their generally good intentions are transparent.

          How are their intentions 'good'? And how are they any more transparent than Iran's, which wants to protect itself both from Isreali regional power and future clashes with western powers over oil?

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          Reply#7 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:25 AM EDT
          {"commentId":94009,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

          I think what he meant by that was that ultimately, Pakistan and India are in a stalemate and we don't really expect either one of them to actually use nukes on the other. Iran isn't giving us the sort of openness that both India and Pakistan are giving us - they are making threatening gestures towards Israel but they're not giving us credible reasons to believe it's all hot air.

          There is one more complicating factor, and that is the fact that India and Pakistan already have nuclear weapons.

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          #7.1 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:35 AM EDT
          {"commentId":94025,"authorDomain":"200MilesUp"}

          To the extent that regimes change. America was unlikely to use nukes just 6 years ago and are somewhat more likely now.

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          #7.2 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:43 AM EDT
          {"commentId":94031,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

          that's certainly a very good point, which leads me to say that capability is perhaps a little bit more important than intention when deciding whether or not to welcome a country with existing weapons into the fold.

          Iran lacks the capability, so we keep them out. If they had the weapons, it would be an entirely different dialogue.

          I guess the problem with persistant states but temporary regimes is that time really does become a factor - we are never the people we were yesterday, and the same with governments. But, once you have a nuke, you have a nuke, and that changes everything.

          Is, I guess, how I'd look at it. I dunno, I'm not the expert here. :)

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            #7.3 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:48 AM EDT
            {"commentId":94107,"authorDomain":"danish"}

            India and Pakistan certainly have some issues, but by and large both their capability and their generally good intentions are transparent.

            How are their intentions 'good'? And how are they any more transparent than Iran's, which wants to protect itself both from Isreali regional power and future clashes with western powers over oil?

            Both India and Pakistan are currently US allies in the war against terror, while USA and Iran have no formal diplomatic relations. Also, India and Pakistan acknowledges Israel.

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            #7.4 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:44 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":3705864,"authorDomain":"AnIranian"}

            I like the title "An Insider's Look at the Iranian Nuclear Situation" but I guess you need to hear other insiders' look too.

            Many Iranian people are not in favour of Nuclear technology at the meantime because they know current regime needs stronger arms to secure it's existence in region. They need some sort of assurance from the west that won't get them like what they have done to Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

            So if you ask some other insiders you will find out that majority of Iranians are not buying Islamic regime's claims that they are working toward peaceful technology, it's just a lie.

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              Reply#8 - Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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              Yeah, I'm sure that's the case.  On any issue of this scope and magnitude there are going to be a million different views, and this article was written two years ago after I was exposed to one such set of views.

              However, I'm sure you're right as well - it's politics, "Truth" is only useful when it gets you something and so it's imprudent to believe anything anyone political says, outright.  But I find it helpful to examine the context all around.  

              Thanks for weighing in!

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