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Capital Flight - did you know?

Tue May 23, 2006 3:07 PM EDT
world-news, history, corruption, economics, hugo-chavez, south-america, world-bank, imf, oppression, bolivarian-revolution, did-you-know, capital-flight, didyouknow
By Mykola Bilokonsky
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So I've promised a well-researched article expressing my reasons for supporting radical Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez. However, before I get into that, I'd like to take a moment to establish some degree of context. I believe that current South American populism can only be understood if you first have a solid understanding of the economic forces working to undermine the third world.

Introduction
So, instead of talking about Hugo right away we're going to study Capital Flight. Capital Flight is the economic process whereby large amounts of money leave a country - say, for instance, to a swiss bank account, or some deep corporate coffer in another country. "This leads to a disappearance of wealth and is usually accompanied by a sharp drop in the exchange rate of the affected country." (source ) This has been a problem all over the world in the latter half of the 20th century, but perhaps most strikingly in South America.

A key component of the right-wing trickle-down supply-side-economics model often used to justify the corporate culture is that profits are redistributed into the economy, thus fueling economic growth. I am not going to debate this point, whether or not this works under ideal circumstances or not - that's what Tangle 002 is for. I will say, though, that not even the staunchest Reaganite can claim that Supply Side Economics work when the money is siphoned out of the economy entirely rather than being reinvested.

"Yes," you may say, "But really, who does that?" Multinational Corporations is one big one. The general wealthy classes in poor countries is another. This has been happening in South America for decades, and the result is that the local currencies get weaker and weaker as investors lose more and more confidence in the economy - and who can blame them, since the money in the system decreases daily? The idea then is that in an effort to salvage the crumbling economy, the country will take a massive loan from the IMF - but this can only buy time, not solve the problem, and as the currency depreciates more and more it becomes almost impossible to repay the debt. Meanwhile, the rich, who were "smart" enough to export their money, are still sitting pretty, while the poor get progressively poorer.

A Case Study: Venezuela
In Venezuela, financial problems are no new development - "capital flight reached historical levels at the end of 1982 with US $8 billion leaving the country." At the time, then-President Campins tied the Venezuelan Bolivar to the dollar at a 7:1 rate in an effort to solve this problem, but it didn't help much. (source.) (An aside: Economics is not my strong point, can someone comment and explain why tying the Bolivar to the Dollar could have helped? And why it didn't? At any rate, the decline continued.)

In 1988, then-President Perez was faced with a 43.9% poverty rate. In an attempt either to reform (if you are feeling generous) or profit from (if you are feeling cynical) the economic instability, Perez called in the IMF and began the process of neo-liberal reform.

"The neoliberal model came with its customary lethal dose of fiscal austerity measures, which forced budget cuts and slashed social-welfare benefits. It also led to large-scale privatization, which transferred prized national assets to foreigners who proceeded to eliminate thousands of jobs, and to the liberalization of trade and foreign investment, which made the country more vulnerable to the vagaries of international markets and globalization. The combination of corruption, financial deregulation, and globalization created the conditions for the banking crisis that hit the country in the mid-1990s. This crisis hurt the middle class and the poor while enriching corrupt bankers who then fled the country with their bounty." (source.)

It is important to note that the IMF reforms were undertaken without any sort of public referandum - and that there were massive protests in the street. "In 1989, the country witnessed the worst street riots in decades, with people protesting against neoliberal reforms that might have reflected the Washington Consensus but were very far from enjoying a consensus among Venezuelans. (same source.)"

Did Perez's actions ultimately help to fix the 43.9% poverty rate? Actually, as a result of his actions, "the economy contracted by 8.6% and general poverty went from 43.9% in 1988 to 66.5% of the population in 1989." (source.) It was here that Hugo Chavez and company had their first attempt to seize power - their coup attempt failed, but obviously made an impression on the people. He gained a reputation as someone willing to stand up to the corruption plaguing the Venezuelan economy.

So, after that did everyone see the error of their ways and resolve to be more careful in the future? Haha, no. "Another $1.4 billion IMF loan, with its structural adjustment, was negotiated in 1995. There were more privatizations: foreign investment increased, oil prices rose - but poverty kept on growing." Venezuela went even further into debt, even more money was shuffled around by the moneyed elite, and the poor got poorer.

Here is a brief summary from what seems to be 1998 of the overall effects of Venezuela's dealings with the IMF:

In recent years, Venezuela's economy has gone from bad to desperate. Its deterioration coincided with the adoption of policies recommended by the International Monetary Fund, economists point out. The advice came with two IMF aid packages beginning in 1989.

Since implementation of the most recent package in 1996:

  • Interest rates have more than doubled to 68 percent annually, the country's bolivar has been devalued 94 percent, accumulated inflation has reached 218 percent and production output has stalled.
  • Over the past two months capital flight has drained more than $2 billion from Venezuela's international reserves -- which are lower today than when the IMF package was signed.
  • The fiscal deficit has been declared unmanageable and the stock market is down more than 50 percent.

What manner of advice produced these results?

  • The 1996 package included tax increases, devaluation, few privatizations and public service rate hikes -- the latter being popular with politicians because it increases government revenues.
  • The few state-owned companies to be privatized were sold as monopolies in order to assure the state maximum revenues -- monopolies that charge some of the highest rates in the world.
  • The repeated devaluations have increased costs to the private sector and ignited inflation.
  • The IMF allowed the government to postpone reforms of inept state hospitals and public schools.

To rescue the economy from these failed prescriptions, experts recommend the government transfer all assets not necessary for state operations to the country's creditors, as payment of debts. This would require relinquishing all state-owned tourist resorts, corporations, mines, urban real estate, forestry reserves, farm lands, educational and health-service buildings and infrastructure.

The state's creditors would become the private owners of these assets and the state's overwhelming debt burden -- 40 percent of the fiscal budget -- would be wiped out immediately.

Source: Alejandro J. Sucre (Caracas equity fund manager), "Venezuela Can't Afford Any More 'Help' From the IMF," Wall Street Journal, August 14, 1998. (Myk's Source.)

Conclusions
So, did you know about Capital Flight? Did you know that there was world-wide phenomenon where the IMF and World Bank loan a poor country money, that money is spent developing an infrastructure used to benefit large multinational corporations and corrupt government officials, and then any profits are exported, leaving the country even further in debt? Are you aware that this is a cycle that is perpetuated over and over again around the world? Did you think that the IMF was a good thing?

More specifically, in terms of my next article, can you understand why Hugo Chavez would, say, implement state control of the country's top income generating industry? Can you understand why he would take a strong anti-american, anti-West stance? We in the west destroyed his nation's economy, and it wasn't an accident. You blame him for the poverty and the crime, but we're the ones who created it. Two really useful articles if you'd like to learn more can be found here and here.

Next time I will talk about what he has done to combat the results of this poverty. I will also address the various very legitimate concerns about him - I think he may be a power-mad lunatic, possibly. Then again, maybe his bid for total power is justified because he's the only one he can trust NOT to run the country into the ground again. All this and more next time!

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Captain Nemo

Hi Mykola,

Great to have you back. I've noticed that there has been a little quiet in your column. This fully compensates. I am sorry I don't have the time to investigate the concepts further right now, but I will follow the discussion and return to the topic as soon as possible. Very interesting article, indeed, and your sources seem to check out.

So, did you know about Capital Flight? Did you know that there was world-wide phenomenon where the IMF and World Bank loan a poor country money, that money is spent developing an infrastructure used to benefit large multinational corporations

Let me just say that I did know the policies of IMF and the World Bank are contested. I found Oluseyes article on the Washington Consensus highly enlightening in that regard.

I think most people with no personal interests vested in multinationals can agree that supply-side economics and Keynesian economics were not created as developmental economic models.

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Tue May 23, 2006 4:03 PM EDT
Mykola Bilokonsky

Thanks for the kind words. I'd be glad to have your considerable resources turn for a moment to this subject when you get a chance. Right now, thanks to Ugly Bastard and Keith Richardson's posts, I'm interested in looking into alternatives to the IMF, or else alternate options in terms of behavior for the IMF. It seems that there's a lot to learn about developmental economics, and my intuitive understanding based on much reading over the years is that the corporate culture basically practices a rape-and-pillage policy behind the guise of the IMF, which they continually advertise as practically a community service group.

Methinks there's a lot to learn here.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Tue May 23, 2006 7:43 PM EDT
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Japhiah

Excellent article.

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Tue May 23, 2006 5:07 PM EDT
Mykola Bilokonsky

Thanks :)

    #2.1 - Tue May 23, 2006 7:40 PM EDT
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    Ugly Bastard

    So, if Venezuela can't go to the IMF to get a loan...

    Does Venezuela try to get a loan from Chase Manhattan?

    Do you think Chase will give Venezuela a loan?

    They won't. Far, far to risky to loan Venezuela money.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Tue May 23, 2006 6:29 PM EDT
    Kris Richardson

    far to risky to loan Venezuela money.

    Exactly, it's not America's fault.

      #3.1 - Tue May 23, 2006 6:48 PM EDT
      Mykola Bilokonsky

      I guess I kind of feel that the IMF is like one of those really shady credit places on the corner downtown, where you can get a paycheck advance. It's just a whole system whereby we can make sure that poor countries stay poor.

      I grant you, there isn't a better system in play. One could argue, though, that as we have the resources, the rich countries of the world could afford not to gouge the poor ones for every dime they're worth. Call me naive, but that just doesn't seem like a very humane foreign policy. Perhaps we could use the IMF or World Bank to provide grants and/or supervised infrastructure development in the nations where they are intervening. If they are providing a loan, then perhaps they can at least make sure it's being spent well, rather than simply finding its way into the pockets of investors who more than likely have a stake in the IMf themselves. It's a pack of jackals.

      Why can't we just help each other out? The US won't always be on top, ya know. We should invest good will now, so we can collect on it later. Is one way of looking at it.

      Perhaps, though, a more thorough post on how the IMF and World Bank act as economic weapons to secure Western Hegemony is in order. I'll have to do a lot more reading, but I am fairly certain that the US isn't at all innocent in this situation. It is of course a business, but to deliberately aid in the destruction of economy after economy can't possibly be in the interest of anyone except thsoe who pocket the money in the end.

      • 2 votes
      #3.2 - Tue May 23, 2006 7:39 PM EDT
      Kris Richardson

      We should invest good will now, so we can collect on it later. Is one way of looking at it.

      That has never worked and I'm extremely skeptical that it ever will. It rarely works in day-to-day life let alone over spans of decades and among other countries.

      • 2 votes
      #3.3 - Tue May 23, 2006 8:40 PM EDT
      thehig

      Further no matter what the perceived good will is ,it hardly ever bears the fruit that is promised. Look at the countries that we have had conflicts with recently. I know you can argue other misuses of those countries but nevertheless the money the US invests in these "feel good" goodwill missions never pay off.

      • 2 votes
      #3.4 - Wed May 24, 2006 11:03 AM EDT
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      Kris Richardson

      Venezuala's economy is greatly affected by the price of oil. The 80's was a bad time for oil prices (Graph) and is more likely a major part of the economic troubles Venezuala experienced at that time.

      Also, it's really unfair to blame America for the capital flight problem in Venezuela. Unstable conditions in Venezuela and healthy conditions in other countries (including the U.S.) created a condition for capital flight. Investors put their money where it has the best chance of paying off.

      I am looking forward to your next article where I presume you will get into the actions Chavez took to halt capital flight.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#4 - Tue May 23, 2006 6:47 PM EDT
      Mykola Bilokonsky

      Yes, the oil prices in the early 80's played a substantial role in Venezuela's economic downturn. However, I maintain that it was a combination of corruption and IMF debt that turned a temporary setback into a solid, inescapable problem.

      As you predict, my next installment will address some of the policies the Chavez administration has put into play to combat these problems. Some of them are interesting, and some of them are drastic. We will see what we can dig up.

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Tue May 23, 2006 7:35 PM EDT
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      Phaedrus72

      Typical, it's never the dictator's fault. It's always the victim card with some people. Poor Hugo Chavez is just a victim of the West. Give me a break. You also say that economics is not your strong suit, then why oh why do you write an entire article on economics and try to use it to make Chavez look like a rose?! Even if all you say is true, that still does not justify dictatorial and state control and all the human rights abuses Chavez has perpetrated. Once again, I invite you to find someone from Venezuela and ask them their opinion. You obviously got this entire article from a book, the web or both. Do you have any first hand knowledge or have you talked to anyone who has? I doubt it. Once again, for some reason, you seem to think the ends justify the means. As long as Chavez feeds some poor people, he is a-ok in your book. Human rights abuses are ok, as long as the poverty rate goes down, huh? Is that it?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#5 - Tue May 23, 2006 7:07 PM EDT
      Phaedrus72

      Mykola, is there any problem in this world that is NOT the West's or America's fault? It seems everything wrong with the world, is the fault of the West.

      • 2 votes
      #5.1 - Tue May 23, 2006 7:08 PM EDT
      Mykola Bilokonsky

      Phaedrus, please try to restrain yourself to comments that further the discussion. I'm getting pretty tired of your ill-thought-out rants berating me for critical thinking.

      You obviously got this entire article from a book, the web or both.

      That's really funny, because you sound like Stephan Colbert at the White House dinner a few weeks back. He too distrusts books and other forms of research. Are you seriously condemning me for researching my article and providing you with sources?

      I'm simply presenting a set of facts. You can choose to disagree with them specifically, or you can continue your ad hominem crusade against me. I haven't even gotten to any of Chavez's actions, so the least you can do is spare your vitriol for those ocassions when it happens to be on topic. This article rather purposefully sums up the period between 1982-1998 so as to provide context for understanding what happened next.

      As long as Chavez feeds some poor people, he is a-ok in your book.

      Well, when I get to Chavez and the actions he has taken I will speak tothis point, but as I just pointed out the IMF took Venezeula from 44% poverty to 65% poverty. Chavez has taken steps to combat that, but apparently that's not enough for you. I'd say that's a substantial problem that deserves attention. I urge you to prepare some documentation on the alleged human rights abuses of which Chavez is guilty, and when I post the next installment of this column we can discuss it. I hope you can teach me something.

      For now, however, the only positions you seem to embrace are against research, against context and against understanding. Such positions are, I am sure you will agree, untenable and to be discouraged.

      • 11 votes
      #5.2 - Tue May 23, 2006 7:32 PM EDT
      Phaedrus72

      Mykola, I do believe I directed a rant towards you. Also, of course, I am not against research, but sometimes reading a book just does not cut it. You could read a book on torture, but does that compare at all to actually being tortured or talking to someone who has been tortured? All I am saying, is that you can read all the books on Chavez you want to. All the books and sources you are reading obviously praise him. But if you took the time to seek someone out who actually lived there, then you would be able to gain some first hand knowledge of the situation. I'm sure you understand this concept, as our government is constantly berated for not listening to the generals and grunts actually on the ground in Iraq. It's real easy to sit back in a government office somewhere in DC and try to run a war, it's a far different thing when you are actually there? Wouldn't you agree that the generals on the ground should be listened to when it comes to running the war? I think you and others have brought up this criticism in the past. This was one of the fundamental mistakes we made in Vietnam. I contend that this is the same mistake you are making right now when it comes to Chavez's Venezueala. You have read a few books about him and you think that qualifies you to say that he is a good man and has done some good things. I contend that you should talk to some people who actually lived there. I have talked to several. I have never heard from anyone who thought Chavez was anything but a tyrant. If you can't show me someone who has lived in Venezuela during Chavez's reign and who thinks he is a great President, is is because you can't?

      Lastly, you have a tendency of taking any criticism personally. Just because I may criticize something you have written does not mean I am attacking you or criticizing you personally. I am basically 180 degrees apart from you on just about every political and social thought, but that does not mean that I was ranting against you or that we can't be friends. I just think you need to be a little less naive about things and how the world works and get some more first hand knowledge instead of all book learning. Book learning has it's place, of course, I love books. But there is a saying about a person who has more book learning than common sense.

      • 2 votes
      #5.3 - Tue May 23, 2006 8:01 PM EDT
      Phaedrus72

      I do not believe I directed a rant, sorry.

      • 1 vote
      #5.4 - Tue May 23, 2006 8:01 PM EDT
      Phaedrus72

      Another example of what I'm talking about. I used to work in manufacturing plants. We, on the production floor, would always have engineers fresh out of college, come to the floor, and not knowing what in the hell they were talking about, try to tell us how to run the machines and the plant. All they had was book learning, they had absolutely no first hand experience.

      I am going to truck driving school right now. Do you think they would attempt to teach us how to drive a truck by just throwing some books at us and telling us to read them? No, of course not. You can not learn to drive a truck without hands on experience. You can not know anything about the true real world experience in Venezuela without experiencing it yourself or talking to someone who has that experience. I have talked to some real live Venezuealans and they have all said Chavez is a tyrant. Now, I ask you, Mykola, should I listen to them or should I listen to you, because you read some books and researched the web about Chavez? I think you know my choice.

      • 1 vote
      #5.5 - Tue May 23, 2006 8:11 PM EDT
      praetor605

      Far be it for me to jump in on this exchange, but I just wanted to make one comment.

      But if you took the time to seek someone out who actually lived there, then you would be able to gain some first hand knowledge of the situation.

      Could not the same thing be said for you? You attack Mykola's argument without providing facts, sources, or even an opinion poll from "the actual people". Perhaps some evidence would allow people to view both sides of the matter and make an opinion, though, this might want to be reserved for when Mykola actually writes his article on Chavez. Just a thought.

      • 11 votes
      #5.6 - Tue May 23, 2006 8:15 PM EDT
      murat

      Now, I ask you, Mykola, should I listen to them or should I listen to you, because you read some books and researched the web about Chavez?

      You should listen to them. Now go away.

      • 10 votes
      #5.7 - Tue May 23, 2006 11:01 PM EDT
      robK

      "I don't like books. They're all fact, no heart." -Stephen Colbert

      Can I just say outloud that I fully expected to scroll down this comment thread and find some tasty morsels of flamebait? I wasn't surprised to find Mykola's cyberstalker.

      A very good article. I like it when someone challenges the images of America's media-created boogeymen.

      • 4 votes
      #5.8 - Wed May 24, 2006 9:15 PM EDT
      robK

      I should clarify. I'm no fan of Chavez as long as he is working on longterm maintenance of his own power. But the Capital Flight issue needs more attention and I'm glad you explained here.

      • 2 votes
      #5.9 - Wed May 24, 2006 9:18 PM EDT
      Phaedrus72

      rob, I never said I didn't like books. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though. I only said that all book learning and no experience and/or common sense is not a good thing. You can read all the books in the world you want to, it will not make one more wise.

      • 1 vote
      #5.10 - Wed May 24, 2006 10:14 PM EDT
      robK

      Actually, I believe I took those words from the mouth of Stephen Colbert. But if you ask him nicely, he might give them to you.

      • 2 votes
      #5.11 - Wed May 24, 2006 11:14 PM EDT
      Phaedrus72

      rob, you quoted Stephen Colbert, in order to try and make a point about myself, saying that I don't like books. Even a conservative dolt such as myself can figure out what you were trying to do. Colbert is hilarious, by the way. Although I do think he went overboard at that Bush Dinner. A tad bit on the rude side if you ask me.

      • 1 vote
      #5.12 - Thu May 25, 2006 7:12 PM EDT
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      Aine MacDermot

      Excellent article, Mykola. My own readings on this subject support what you've written (so far).

      People who think the U.S. or IMF or World Bank can do no wrong, really need to expand their reading to include the numerous Electronic Briefing Books at the National Security Archives - (An independent non-governmental research institute and library located at The George Washington University). It's an invaluable resource for historians and journalists.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#6 - Tue May 23, 2006 8:04 PM EDT
      Captain Nemo

      With all the controversy about the Neoconservative movement, PNAC, IPR and other Neoconservative think tanks, along with the Enron, Haliburton scandals, along with the Operation Free Iraq, I find it odd that Bush could not see the ominous picture he has drawn by putting Wolfowitz, the chief architect of the Iraq war, in charge of the World Bank.

      • 6 votes
      #6.1 - Tue May 23, 2006 8:51 PM EDT
      Aine MacDermot

      Claus, people who don't know how or have no desire to do research... they think all of that is some sort of conspiracy theory or something, even though the information could be at their fingertips with some effort on their part. It is harder to do the "grown up" research than it is to believe the "childhood" fairytale you've grown up with all your life.

      But only the people really determined to know what's happening keep looking for the answers. It's hard work, after all.

      • 3 votes
      #6.2 - Tue May 23, 2006 9:50 PM EDT
      I SPY

      Cant you both see the Massive Flaw in this argument. It is another example of the US failing to understand the reality of the situation. Once again it is a single country that is the Focus. Wrong. This time it is different. We have the Sino-Castrovian Junta. The argument is based on the hegemony of the Holy US $. If these countries dump the $ then this debate is irrelevant

      Thumb's down on this one Mykola Bilokonsky You need to look at current world events, and stop this backward McCarthyist mindset. There is no relevant history to this situation It is totally new.

      • 2 votes
      #6.3 - Wed May 24, 2006 6:12 AM EDT
      Aine MacDermot

      Actually, no, I'm not saying it is a focus on a single country. National borders have little or nothing to do with it, really... multinational corporations, though they may be registered in this country or that, are in themselves economic players in the game of geopolitics on the world map. You'll see when looking into such things as the Bilderberg meetings or the Carlisle Group that the wealthy have no qualms about welcoming into their membership anyone who can be a major player through wealth or board membership or political power positioning, no matter what country or ideology they represent. The neocons behind PNAC are only a small subset of these people.

      • 5 votes
      #6.4 - Wed May 24, 2006 10:49 AM EDT
      I SPY

      Sorry corssed wires. What I am sauying is that this discounts the fact that there is a significant economic movement rising outside the hegmony of the US $. The Venuzeualan, Cuban, Oil for Doctors is an excellant example. The people you are talking about are now in panic mode as all the gains of British colonialism are now hanging in the balance. The IMF is now realising they are not the only player in world finace with the Euro The Ruble and the Yuan all in contention at the moment. The IMF is using debt to fund the US military to among other things maintain its monopoly.

      • 2 votes
      #6.5 - Wed May 24, 2006 11:50 AM EDT
      Aine MacDermot

      I'll agree with you there, and the list in my comment on 7.1 kind of points out just one of the "areas of friction" among the world's power players. You'll note in those lists that some countries appear on both lists... that's interesting... to me it indicates that certain pressures have been applied (through the IMF, or the World Bank, or multinational corporations in the energy field, or other factions) to force those countries to conform with the wishes of various monied factions who aren't taking into consideration the economic needs of the populations involved in those countries. On the surface it might appear to be strictly a matter of greedy capitalists hoping to steal natural resources, and it may be exactly that to some extent, but I think there is much more to it than that.

      None of this is simple or easy to understand. The complexity within this kind of geopolitical game is like layers and layers of competing interests between the various subsets of players.

      • 3 votes
      #6.6 - Wed May 24, 2006 12:05 PM EDT
      I SPY

      Like Transdnestr :)

      • 2 votes
      #6.7 - Thu May 25, 2006 12:50 AM EDT
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      allgood2

      Great article, I'm looking forward to more in the series. I admit to knowing bits and pieces about the Washington Consensus, which has created and pushed economic policies on a number of South American countries, as well as elsewhere in the world, and its ties with the World Bank. But my familiarity with the International Monetary Fund (IMF), was/is even more limited. So my one complaint is that it would have been great if you introduced the term earlier in the article.

      As embarrassing as it is, I admit when first seeing the acronym IMF, without a supplied description, my brain immediately went to Impossible Mission Force from Mission Impossible, then the Myeloma Foundation. Obviously, both were easy to dismiss, and a quick search did turn up the meaning, but it would have been nice to see the meaning in the article, before the Wall Street Journal quote.

      I find Hugo Chavez a fascinating character. I've yet to official decide if he's a good leader, bad leader, or just an above average politician. But contrary to Phaedrus72 belief that if you speak to anyone from Venezuela, that they will vilify him, I've found that material from Venezuelan sources and Venezuelans in America are equally undecided. Supporters for Chavez—and he has a good number of them, as verified by elections, and failure of recall referendums—belief that his Bolivarian Missions (which I also find fascinating) are working to save Venezuela, and that for the first time the poor have a voice. His distractors argue that his economic changes place him in conflict with "the rest of the world" and that he is/will ruin Venezuela. Of course this is neither here or there for this post on Capital Flight, but just to state I'm already anxious for the next segment of your series, that deals directly with Chavez.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#7 - Wed May 24, 2006 6:37 AM EDT
      Aine MacDermot

      That was an interesting link. Thanks. On that page are a couple of lists that help to explain some things:

      Countries that have implemented market reforms following Washington Consensus

      * Argentina
      * Bolivia
      * Brazil (Plano Real)
      * Chile
      * Colombia
      * Costa Rica
      * Dominican Republic
      * Ecuador
      * El Salvador
      * Guatemala
      * Honduras
      * India
      * Mexico
      * Morocco
      * Nicaragua
      * Paraguay
      * Peru
      * Tunisia
      * Uruguay
      * Zambia

      Countries with governments opposed to Washington Consensus
      Note: incomplete list.

      * Argentina
      * Brazil
      * Bolivia
      * China
      * Cuba
      * N. Korea
      * Iran
      * Russia
      * Venezuela
      * Vietnam

      • 6 votes
      #7.1 - Wed May 24, 2006 11:08 AM EDT
      I SPY

      Why does the term Neo-Keynesian economics send a shiver down my spine Aine

      • 3 votes
      #7.2 - Wed May 24, 2006 12:51 PM EDT
      Aine MacDermot

      Neo-Keynesian Economics (wikipedia)... this caught my eye:

      "...combining economics with behavioral science, game theory and monetary theory were more important areas of study. ..."

      Do you see how that relates to what I've been alluding to... the geopolitical game? It seems minor compared to everything else that's on that page, but considering some of the other conversations I've had here in various threads in the past month, somehow it also seems relevant (to me).

      I'm still exploring these ideas, btw, it's how I learn more about the world... and I'm certainly no powerhouse when it comes to Economics of whatever variety (micro-, macro-, or the dozens of theories out there).

      • 4 votes
      #7.3 - Wed May 24, 2006 1:54 PM EDT
      I SPY

      OK i'll try using the term around the vine, see i we can get a response

        #7.4 - Thu May 25, 2006 1:02 AM EDT
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        Djehuty

        This is really interesting, Mykola - can't wait for the next installment!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#8 - Wed May 24, 2006 8:14 AM EDT
        Ugly Bastard

        The IMF is just a bank. A very, very stupid bank who will lend money knowing full well that it has little chance of being repaid.

        Let me make up a country, Jajeka. Jajeka is third world with little development. The leaders of Jajeka decide they want to build a highway across the country. They apply to the IMF. The IMF knows that the leaders of Jajeka are corrupt idiots but it gives them the money with a smile.

        Twenty miles of the five hundred mile highway are built when the money runs out. Fingers are pointed. Everyone knows that most of the IMF loan is now in secret Swiss bank accounts (The Swiss are the most evil people ever, but that's another story.)

        The IMF loan is a very, very low interest loan, a loan a western nation would drool in desire over, but Jajeka is so poor that it can't make the payments. Jajeka defaults.

        The IMF smiles. Oh well. On to the next corrupt nation.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#9 - Wed May 24, 2006 9:40 AM EDT
        Mykola Bilokonsky

        So, your theory is that the IMF is just kind of a silly bank that doesn't know any better, and out of vague notions of compassion for poor countries gives them low-interest loans? I'm not sure I understand your model.

        They funnel billions of dollars. That money goes somewhere. I suspect that to understand where that money goes is to understand why the IMF stays in business. Perhaps I need another post about how the IMF works.

        • 1 vote
        #9.1 - Wed May 24, 2006 12:06 PM EDT
        Ugly Bastard

        IMF money goes into secret Swiss bank accounts.

        The politicians of these third world countries are corrupt. They borrow IMF money under false pretexts and squirrel it away in secret Swiss bank accounts.

        The Swiss are an evil people.

          #9.2 - Wed May 24, 2006 12:14 PM EDT
          Aine MacDermot

          The primary mission of the IMF is to provide financial assistance to countries that experience serious financial difficulties. Member states with balance of payments problems may request loans and/or organizational management of their national economies. In return, the countries are usually required to launch certain reforms, an example of which is the "Washington Consensus".

          And... it is part of the World Bank Group.

          • 2 votes
          #9.3 - Wed May 24, 2006 11:29 PM EDT
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          Lerxst

          Um, I thought Venezuela _is— in the "West."

            Reply#10 - Wed May 24, 2006 10:43 AM EDT
            chill

            Blaming the IMF is like blaming a fireman for not being able to save a burning house.

            While your right that capital flight is a major issue, it is an outcome (that makes things worse) and not the cause of the problem. The bigger problem is corruption. If African and South American countries had Scandinavia's ethics there would be few poor developing countries.

            Eliminating liberalization is also not the solution. Poor countries need (foreign) investment. Protectionism, nationalizing industries, etc will only serve to stop investment and hinder growth. A stable (little political) developing country with rich resources of some sort could attract investment, create jobs and enhance tax revenues if decently managed.

            The IMF has in large part failed due to the misuse use of its funds .... and quite often just arriving to late to save a sinking ship (people often miss this important 2nd point).

            The IMF tries to introduce discipline and liberalization with structure but one must remember that it is doing this in countries that are already in huge trouble and rarely committed (or able) to eliminating corruption.

            Chavez' policies are just limiting future growth. Unfortunately Venezuela is a 3rd world country with a lot of oil and not much else going for it. Similarly the Bolivian threats to nationize some industries will cause more harm than good to their poor -- do you honestly think the Bolivian government will be able:

            1) efficiently to run these industries
            2) afford the required invesment
            3) share the wealth with its citizens

            0.00% chance. Sorry.

            In a perfect world they could follow the Norway model (formerly a poor country with oil and fish and not much else). But enlightened policy has allowed them to use oil revenues to further develop a successful economy ...... notable for its lack of corruption.

            Have a glance at Transparency Internationals corruption index and correlate it with poverty. Then compare Norway and Venezuela and Norway.

            There is a great (well documented true) story on Mobutu (dictator of Zaire/Congo from 60's to 90's or something) receiving several hundred million of international aid and wiring it the NEXT DAY to his personal account.

            -------------------

            Separately, I am no expert on Venezuela exchange rate issues, but you asked how would fixing the currency to the dollar help. I am quite certain that it would be accompanied by exchange controls that limited (forbade for most transactions) buying dollars. Almost certainly most capital flight occurred on the black market during these exchange controls (but again I am not familiar with this particular incident).

            Finally, no doubt big western companies often play a less than helpful role in developing countries. they are usually in it for the money. But the in a less corrupt environment they will conform to local rules and generally be better corporate citizens. Big oil companies would prefer to operate and pay reasonable taxes in a stable developing country versus the play the corrupt game of surviving in most of these places..... but they are capable of doing both.

            Chavez should be looking in the mirror.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#11 - Wed May 24, 2006 11:55 AM EDT
            robK

            I'm sorry this is paid link, but UTNE Magazine had a piece (Jan/Feb 2005) about an "Economic Hitman" who helped get loans for third world nations that he knew would be impossible to pay back. The idea being exactly what Mykola has described here as Capital Flight. The man interviewed for the article described how project budgets were intentionally overvalued to get bigger loans.

            It stuck with me because it made me feel so naive about geo-economics and the exploitation of the third world for profit.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#12 - Wed May 24, 2006 9:34 PM EDT
            merrydeath

            good link RobK. This guy has a fascinating and eye-opening story. Here's a link to his interview with Amy Goodman (democracy now!)

            also...i think the Utne Reader usually publishes abridged versions of stuff (i think) from other sources. Sometimes you can find the original piece available free somewhere else. In fact, given the widespread easy access to original content, I am surprised to hear that they're still in business. Good for them. :)

            • 2 votes
            #12.1 - Thu May 25, 2006 7:39 AM EDT
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            Pen

            chill888 - Comparing Norway or any Scandinavian country to that of a country in the majority world (i.e. Venezuela, Zaire) completely denies the history of colonization and imperialism that people in the global "south" have to live with on a daily basis. The IMF and the World Bank's neoliberal policies are but an new age of colonialism, resulting in less resources for local economies that benifit people and more $ for the local rich and multinationals .

            While I am no "chavista" Latin America has been the guinea pig for US economic and military experiments long enough. I do not excuse the abuses Chavez's government has perpetrated but looking at the context of US torture and finacial scandals, as well as the continued support for Uribe (and his amazing record of human rights abuses) next door in Colombia by the US governemt puts this arguement in context.

            If we are discussing the economics of the West (or global "north") it is important to figure out where the US, Canada and Western Europe got their economic wealth.... these economies were built on the slave trade and explotation of African and New World resources. (see excellent article in OCt 2005 New African Magazine http://www.africasia.co.uk/newafrican/) In fact, one CAN lay a good amount of blame on the failed Venezuelan economy on the West.

            Good article Mykola.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#13 - Thu May 25, 2006 3:00 PM EDT
            chill

            Corruption is the major issue. Typing in caps and underlining won't change that

            • 1 vote
            #13.1 - Sat May 27, 2006 4:19 PM EDT
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            chill

            Canada was built on slave trade and exploitation of new world resources? lol

            Focus on the present ....or at least the last century or so.

              Reply#14 - Sat May 27, 2006 4:25 PM EDT
              KMaru

              You observed: "then-President Campins tied the Venezuelan Bolivar to the dollar at a 7:1 rate in an effort to solve this problem, but it didn't help much." You then asked the leading question: "...can someone comment and explain why tying the Bolivar to the Dollar could have helped? And why it didn't?"

              This is akin to observing that the patient is sick and that in an effort to cure him, the doctor gave him arsenic (formerly an ingredient in some medicines), then asking us to explain how arsenic could have helped. I.e., you ask for answers only within the bounds of your original (incorrect) assumptions. I.e., that Marxist remedies work.

              The reason it didn't work in Venezuela is that it never works anywhere.

              You criticize supply-side economics (which did work in the U.S., btw, and for which there has since grown a substantial body of empirical evidence and academic support in other contexts). I suspect that the same set of Marxist assumptions that leads you to condemn that out of hand (without, as you admit, any grounding in economics) leads you to condemn free market forces in general, including currency exchange. I do not mean 'Marxist' as an epithet, btw - though it should be. It is simply a descriptive characterization of your base assumptions.

              If the history of the last century has proven anything it is that free markets cannot be legislated out of existence without legislating other freedoms out of existence too. (And when that doesn't work, let's curtail some more!... as Chavez is doing) Your professors may be telling you differently, but out here in the real world (as Phaedrus notes), Marxism was proven to be a charade long ago, with millions of bodies to show for it. 'Classes' don't make decisions. People do. People who live, die, invest, save and make rational decisions.

              Why did pegging the Bolivar to the Dollar not work? Because people, corporations and anyone else who could take action to avoid loss did so. Rational. They did not want to see their life's savings evaporate at the hand of some government bureaucrat who decided that forever more and no matter what a Bolivar was 1/7th of a U.S. dollar. Of course poverty was the result, but the villians here are the IMF (as another commenter notes) and Venezuelan leadership, byzantine legal systems and corruption. The solution is more access to free markets and rule of law for poor people (and everyone else), not less.

              I strongly suggest that if you're disinclined to go visit Venezuela and see for yourself what decades of despotism and corruption has wrought that you read Hernando DeSoto, who is from South America and has made it his business to figure out why this pattern repeats itself all over the world. It is an honest suggestion that I believe will dramatically improve the quality of your research and thinking by challenging your basic assumptions. You might read Ayn Rand's 'Atlas Shrugged' while you're at it. It's a little more didactic, but I suspect you'll find your friend Hugo in there. It was written about the time he was born. Rand knew him because she knew his intellectual predecessors - in early Communist Russia.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#15 - Sun May 28, 2006 4:29 PM EDT
              zenpundit

              chilli had some sensible comments.

              Countries peg to the dollar for the same reason they once used the Gold Standard - an attempt to put a political floor on the devaluation of the currency. This can be meaningful if the local currency may be exchanged freely for dollars. This forces the monetary authority to exert discipline and not simply run the printing presses. If not, well, then you have the old Soviet Ruble which was also fixed to the dollar at an exchange rate that even Soviet officials found to be completely unbelievable.

                Reply#16 - Mon May 29, 2006 1:05 AM EDT
                Pen

                The bold and underline was a mistake, i'm glad it let some people dismiss an argument they don't understand.
                As for Chill888 - your comments betray your lack of understanding of racism and colonialism. The "new world" was exploited to finance wars at home and expand the wealth of the European elite... to deny that a mere 200 some odd years can completely erase the systemic racism and classism inherent in colonization is laughable.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#17 - Tue May 30, 2006 3:59 PM EDT
                chill

                As for Chill888 - your comments betray your lack of understanding of racism and colonialism.

                LOL your comments betray your lack of understanding of what is really going on. Corruption, corrution, corruption.

                It is lazy to make excuses that date back centuries. there are lots of countries that have made the transition to become a western reasonably rich country over last 50 years. All have a few things in common: liberalization, low corruption, and stable governments, etc.

                Examples: Korea, Chile, most of Central Europe (Czech, Hungary, Poland, etc)

                Most of this thread illustrates a lack of understanding of economics and a willingness to blame others versus looking in the mirror.

                Corruption. Period.

                If you somehow think Chavez or Bolivia's policies will lead to prosperity. You are smoking something from his country.

                • 1 vote
                #17.1 - Tue May 30, 2006 4:36 PM EDT
                murat

                It is lazy to make excuses that date back centuries. there are lots of countries that have made the transition to become a western reasonably rich country over last 50 years. All have a few things in common: liberalization, low corruption, and stable governments, etc.

                Examples: Korea, Chile, most of Central Europe (Czech, Hungary, Poland, etc)

                Don't forget that the US was a colony as well.

                No doubt there are knock on effects from having been the victim of colonialism, but it isn't a "get out of jail free" card.

                • 2 votes
                #17.2 - Tue May 30, 2006 5:35 PM EDT
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