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Look Again - Movies - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

News Type: Event — Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:15 AM EDT
entertainment, movies, harry-potter, movie-review, harry-potter-and-the-order-of-the-phoenix, recycled-character-development
By Mykola Bilokonsky

I found this image and really just couldn't not use it. I photoshopped in the punchline in case somebody missed it ;)

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I just got back from a midnight screening and I have a few thoughts I'd like to share with you. This isn't going to be a standard review in some nice paragraph format with arguments and conclusions and all that nonsense - rather I'm going to bullet-point some thoughts I had and open the floor to discussion.

- 1 -
Alright, why the hell does Harry go through the exact same character development in every movie? I mean seriously, I'm getting tired of this. Every fall the daft fool seems to forget all the lessons he learned in the previous year as he reverts into an insecure petulant brat who lies to his friends and give in to his "the fate of the world is resting on me so I'd better just wallow and make things more difficult for everyone" schtick. Then throughout the fall things get worse and worse until suddenly there's snow on the ground and all his friends hate him. Then something happens, he remembers not to act like a dick, the good guys rally, Harry learns the meaning of sacrifice and in the end stares boldly into an uncertain future, ready for any challenge - except, apparently, minor teasing from his fat cousin.

- 2 -
I loved the way the administration controlled the press and framed the political discourse. My favorite newspaper headline was "Dumbledore: Daft or Dangerous?" I felt like it came right from a FOX News ticker. The media reported government press releases as fact, and this became an issue when it became clear that they weren't facts.

- 3 -
Tonks is hott, I'm with Adam on this one. She needed more screen time. There was an odd older-woman sexual tension briefly at the start of the film between her and Harry but then she tripped and fell and basically left the movie. Boo.

- 4 -
The final big fight between the various members of the Order of the Phoenix and the Death Eaters was pretty damn impressive. Harry makes it a point to tell the other students earlier that all great wizards and witches started out as students, just like them - he is teaching them the basics, and they become more powerful but they're clumsy and impressed with themselves. In the end, there's a big fight between grownup wizards - and it's really just pretty neat. You can see how the sort of training the kids were doing was a foundation, but the adults are at a level so far beyond it - everyone is fast, confident, impressive instead of impressed. It was one of the highlights of the film for me to watch that skirmish.

- 5 -
Dolores Umbridge - yes, ok, we get it, she's a self-righteous neo-victorian @!$%# determined to stamp out all that is good and worthwhile about childhood. She is also a sadist, her disciplinarian exterior masking a vindictive soul who enjoys tormenting others. She is unpleasant to watch. Why did she get so god damned much screen time? Especially when Tonks got so little? I mean, yes, I understand that it was important to show that Hogwarts was suffering under an authoritarian oppression - but for @!$%#'s sake establish it and move on. I would have loved to see a quidditch match or some little sequence in magic town in place of one or two of her scenes.

- 6 -
"The Muggle Prime Minister has been alerted..." It's interesting to me that in this movie we begin to see some interactions between magic world and muggle world. I know the books went down this road a little bit, I'd like to see a bit more.

- 7 -
Fred and George are great.

- 8 -
Kids who are growing up with these books and movies are going to be exposed to some radical concepts - it's good to question authority, your best friend could die tomorrow, good and evil aren't absolutes, life is suffering, not even Dumbledore knows all the answers. I am genuinely excited at the idea that an entire generation is going to be raised with so many genuinely complex lessons so painstakingly available. Harry Potter can be simplistic at times, but it's never simple - there are lots of subtexts and the story, no matter how it finally ends, is fundamentally a tragedy. Life is hard, life is temporary and you can't count on anything except maybe your friends unless you act like a dick and alienate them or they die - and every year you have to deal with more complex issues.

- 9 -
Poor Cho, her character must feel so used by JK Rowling and the movie people. She's just there for a good snog and then it's bye bye? Ah well, at least next year Harry gets to make out with Ginny left right and center. I wonder how Ron's gonna react to that?

That's all I got, it's 3am and I need sleep. But I wanted to let ya'll know that the film is worth seeing. It's easily the darkest of the movies so far, and while it falls into the standard series pitfalls (come on, harry, you already learned that lesson in 1st 2nd and 4th grades...) it also offers us some compelling details. Harry is depressed and alone for much of the film, and if that seems unpleasant it's because it is.

I'm looking forward to the last book.

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Mykola Bilokonsky

Anyone else go to a midnight showing? I'll admit it, I was there.

...but I didn't dress up! Did you?

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  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:16 AM EDT
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Celestina

Today is my kid's birthday, so I had to wait 'till today so we could go as a birthday thing (but we already bought the tickets, to make sure we could get in). I am still tempted to dress up, though, just 'cause.

I have been more or less disappointed by the movies in the past, but this one sounds a little better. And it has Helena Bonham Carter in it, so that's promising. And you know, Fred and George are always great.

It is interesting, though, to contemplate what this fiction is installing in the kids who read it. I mean, hell, you and I already know that morality is relative, life is tragic, and the only thing worth worrying about are the people you love...but we came into those realizations somewhere after 12. 'Course, if Radcliffe's acting is as bad in this one as in the previous films, I suppose kids who just go see the movie may not feel the full impact of the themes.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:25 AM EDT
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Brian Ford

I've always thought the worst of the actors is whoever plays Malfoy.

Haven't seen this one yet, though.

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  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:25 AM EDT
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sieb

Good writeup, we'll be seeing it this weekend while I am in Ohio. :D
I wonder how long it will take for the "wizardry is evil satanic D&D worshiping" to start up this time around. :P

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  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:05 AM EDT
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Mykola Bilokonsky

Not nearly enough satanism for my tastes, I'm afraid. Still fundamentally a question of good vs evil - laaaaaame.

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  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:21 AM EDT
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Adam Hobson

Tonks is hott, I'm with Adam on this one.

Of course I was right. I know my hot chicks. But I did claim her first ;-)

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  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:26 AM EDT
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dwchin

Umbridge got far too much page time in the book, as well. And, if I recall correctly, Tonks got fairly little. It's a shame because Tonks is such a cool character. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm interested in seeing how she is represented on screen. As for Harry's obnoxious "fate of the world" attitude, I thought it was by far the worst in this book. As much as Harry claims he hates the spotlight, he sure likes to point out how it's always on him. At least Harry shows some amount of emotional maturation by book 6, and I thought he finally started to act less like a whiny, attention-craved brat at the beginning of 6th year.

Thanks for the review! Can't wait for book 7.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:29 AM EDT
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Adam Hobson

I think the problem is that Rowling just isn't a good enough writer to properly mature a character over a seven book series. The Harry in book one is basically the exact same Harry in book five, maturity and all.

Harry to me is the anti-Ender.

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  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:42 AM EDT
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Joshua Deacon

Harry to me is the anti-Ender.

That's definitely true. The extact "anti". It seems like Ender started out mature. Sure, he learned things, but he was aways wise for his years.

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    #5.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:00 PM EDT
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    Adam Hobson

    I just think that if Ender was in Harry's place, well first off, he'd be even smarter than Hermione, and second, Voldemort wouldn't have lasted past book 2. Of course he'd probably have taken out a whole species in the process...

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    • 3 votes
    #5.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:16 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":856102,"authorDomain":"yasmin"}
    yasmin

    I'm leaving in a few to go see it. Still, I'm so jealous of everyone who already got to see it. ;-)

    I hear that Harry doesn't withdraw from everyone as much like in the book.

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      Reply#6 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:37 AM EDT
      {"commentId":856103,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}
      Eric Atienza

      I have to say, book 5 was the highest for me on the really-annoyed-with-Harry's-bratty-attitude-ometer.

      Alright, why the hell does Harry go through the exact same character development in every movie?

      Probably because while J.K. Rowling spins a good story, she's not a great writer. Which is fine, because the books are still enjoyable enough.

      It seems a lot of the things you didn't like from the movie were actually shortcomings of the books and a lot of the things you liked were directly related to how the book was adapted to film. Which is to say, now I really want to see the movie =p

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      • 7 votes
      Reply#7 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:37 AM EDT
      {"commentId":856148,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
      Mykola Bilokonsky

      ...yeah it's pretty neat. I'll review the book, probably the day after it comes out, as well. I wanted to keep this in context of the films.

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      • 2 votes
      #7.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:49 AM EDT
      {"commentId":856149,"authorDomain":"carols68"}
      CarolS

      I've had book 5 since if came out and I STILL can't finish it. BORING. I got book 6 when it came out but I gotta finish book 5 first. I'll have book 7 when it's released. I have some catching up to do.

      All of the the books previous to book 5 went faster.

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      • 1 vote
      #7.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:49 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":856306,"authorDomain":"ultimategfx"}
      Mike B

      I'd love to, but sadly I'm in a wheelchair because of my injuries and the less abled people end up with terrible seats at cinemas where they have to stare upwards to see anything. I guess I'll be waiting for the DVD.

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      • 2 votes
      Reply#8 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:32 AM EDT
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      Steve Watts

      I'm really looking forward to seeing this one; I think I'll be checking it out over the weekend with my wife. This was probably my second-favorite of the books (after Prisoner), and I'm hoping it won't disappoint by leaving out too much of the plot, as Prisoner did.

      But then, I fear it will. They've trimmed one of the thickest books to a lean 2 hours, from what I hear, and I'm sure a lot of details had to be lost for it.

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        Reply#9 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:43 AM EDT
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        Joshua Deacon

        The main thing I hated about the book (besides the repetitious scenes with Umbridge), and will probably hate about the movie, is the central "mystery" and premise. Really, a prophecy about a "chosen one"? You weren't enough like the other fantasy series out there so you had to throw in a prophecy? I rolled my eyes at the end of the book.

        And Dumbledore's actions never made sense. He acted completely out of character the whole book.

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        • 4 votes
        Reply#10 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:03 PM EDT
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        Adam Hobson

        Really, a prophecy about a "chosen one"?

        Maybe at the end of book seven he'll become Voldemort's apprentice and take a liking to wearing all black.

        And then we can have Ron scream at Harry at the end: You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would, destroy He who shall not be named, not join them. It was you who would bring balance to Hogwarts, not leave it in Darkness. ;-)

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        • 5 votes
        #10.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:24 PM EDT
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        Mykola Bilokonsky

        That'd be great. Then, for ironic distance, Harry could burn Ron to death slowly in magical lava. And make sure he's dead, yeesh.

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        • 4 votes
        #10.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:38 PM EDT
        {"commentId":856756,"authorDomain":"newcreation"}
        Joshua Deacon

        And don't forget, Ron would also scream what Harry has been missing, what the true motivation should have always been.

        It's about Democracy, Harry!

        Not their broken kinship and friendship, not about fighting against corrupted power, but DEMOCRACY!!!

        Oh, if only he had kept his eyes on the prize.

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        • 4 votes
        #10.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:43 PM EDT
        {"commentId":856830,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}
        Adam Hobson

        I get the point, but...

        Is the Ministry a Democracy though? Was Fudge elected? It never seems like he cares about campaigning or anything. Was he elected to an indefinite term maybe?

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        • 5 votes
        #10.4 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:03 PM EDT
        {"commentId":857885,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
        spiffie

        I always kind of got the sense they acted through some kind of magicky consensus.

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        • 1 vote
        #10.5 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:28 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":857168,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
        Mykola Bilokonsky

        I likes my new picture. ;)

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#11 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:34 PM EDT
        {"commentId":857234,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}
        Adam Hobson

        huh?

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          #11.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:53 PM EDT
          {"commentId":857255,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
          Mykola Bilokonsky

          I added a picture to this article, didn't it load for you?

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            #11.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:57 PM EDT
            {"commentId":857262,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}
            Adam Hobson

            Slow servers? Though I do see other things that you have added...

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              #11.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:00 PM EDT
              {"commentId":857345,"authorDomain":"carols68"}
              CarolS

              It reminds me of a serial killer

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                #11.4 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:26 PM EDT
                {"commentId":857358,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
                Mykola Bilokonsky

                The Hairy Potter picture?

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                  #11.5 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:31 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":857386,"authorDomain":"Sarmar"}
                  Sarmar

                  I don't see any picture..

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                    #11.6 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:37 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":857412,"authorDomain":"carols68"}
                    CarolS

                    Mykola,

                    No your NEW picture!

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                      #11.7 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:45 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":857421,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
                      Mykola Bilokonsky

                      Oh, MY picture? What makes you think I'm not a serial killer?

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                        #11.8 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:48 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":857457,"authorDomain":"carols68"}
                        CarolS

                        Well, since you're in Ohio, you probably are. After all, I was born in Toledo.

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                          #11.9 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:59 PM EDT
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                          Yuriy Bilokonsky

                          Just saw it. My favorite was Loony Loveheart... (was that her name?)

                          Also, with apologies to Myk the Buddha for jacking this thread, we'll be passing through Asheville on our way back to Ohio this weekend, any suggestions for things we must see, Celestina?

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                            Reply#12 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:08 PM EDT
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                            Rapp3720Deleted
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                            Mykola Bilokonsky

                            Sorry Rapp, I'll undelete it next week ;)

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                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#14 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:53 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":859352,"authorDomain":"clrapp"}
                            Rapp3720

                            I hear ya!

                            I was hoping you wouldn't catch it... :)

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                              #14.1 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:56 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":859378,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
                              Brian Ford

                              Or, RAPP could dispute the deletion with the newsvine staff, as it was clearly made in good faith and on a related thread.

                              ;)

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                                #14.2 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:05 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":859421,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
                                Steve Watts

                                Agreed. There's certainly no reason to delete perfectly valid fellow Potter reviews, like this one seeded by Schnoo or this one from Scott Butki. In fact, yours is an original piece of writing instead of a seed, so all the better.

                                I have no idea why Mykola would single you out like that, Rapp, but I'd recommend taking it up with the Newsvine staff like Brian suggested. They'd probably restore your comment.

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                                • 4 votes
                                #14.3 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:19 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":859433,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
                                spiffie

                                Somebody get that man an Oscar!

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                                • 2 votes
                                #14.4 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:23 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":859444,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
                                Mykola Bilokonsky

                                Well hmmph! I simply will not tolerate self-promotion on my column! If you want to leave a link to it, Steve, be my guest - but my arbitrary rule for the week is that I don't want people to leave links to their own work for the sole purpose of getting hits.

                                :-P

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                                • 2 votes
                                #14.5 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:26 AM EDT
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                                {"commentId":859360,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}
                                Viki Babbles Gonia

                                My daughter and her friend went to see it last night (forbidding me to join them, so I haven't seen it yet), and they got in the car and started yammering about how different it was from the book, how things were changed/left out, etc.

                                I tried to explain that they need to look at the movies and the books as separate works of art, rather than comparing the two, and they nodded, and then one of them said, "But they didn't even really mention the horcruxes! Without the horcruxes, the next movie won't even make any sense!" and that sent them on another tangent.

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                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#15 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:57 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":861109,"authorDomain":"lele"}
                                Leah M

                                Thanks for the review - I am excited to go see it now. Point 8 - probably part of the reason there's always some uproar against Harry Potter.

                                It would be so funny if someone knew the 'Hairy Potter'!

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                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#16 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:24 PM EDT
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