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Old Album Review - David Bowie, The Man Who Sold the World

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It seems to me that everyone has a different favorite David Bowie album. Sure, we all love Ziggy - but the magic of Bowie seems to be that he is able to speak to each of us in our own language. This doesn't always translate well to others - why my favorite Bowie album, The Man Who Sold the World, elicits shrugs from people and groans from others is frankly beyond me.

Today I'd like to take a look at this disc, song by song - not just to share my appreciation with you, but also to help me understand it a bit better itself. This album seems to be doing so many things at once that it's hard for me to explain exactly what I like about it.

Like most people in my generation, I first heard the title track as performed by Nirvana during their famous Unplugged performance. The lyrics had always intrigued me, so it was with some degree of curiosity that I sought out the Bowie album from which they had come. "The Man Who Sold the World" is the second-last track on the disc - so I put on my headphones, got on my bike and gave the whole disc a spin during a long ride while living in Japan.

The result was astonishing - this album is a surreal combination of occult practice, science fiction and madness all rolled together and sharpened into a single unified edge. By the time I got to the title track...well, I still didn't get it. I'm still not sure I do - not logically. I'm not 100% sure what this disc is about - but for the first time, in spite of these cognitive difficulties, I felt like I understood it.

Let's go over it, maybe we'll figure out why.

The Tracks

  1. The Width of a Circle - A fantastic opening track - mysterious, powerful guitar driving profound lyrics. It tells the story of the character's coming of age -
    In the corner of the morning in the past
    I would sit and blame the master first and last
    All the roads were straight and narrow
    And the prayers were small and yellow
    And the rumour spread that I was aging fast
    Then I ran across a monster who was sleeping by a tree
    And I looked and frowned and the monster was me...

    The song goes on to describe what seems to be some sort of sexual encounter with the devil - it's all very androgynous and vague but the abiding sense is at once ethereal and violently physical. All things considered, this is probably one of the strongest tracks on the disc and a great introduction for what's to come - surreality, mysticism and a subversion of the standard sense of right and wrong.

  2. All the Madmen - Having turned morality and sanity on their respective heads, Bowie immediately follows up with a song about Vietnam. The "sane" world is at war, and the character her wants no part of it - "I'd rather stay here with all the madmen than perish with the sad men roaming free." Listen for the wonderful flute (panpipes?) that plays in the gaps of the guitar work - musically, the song is a wonderful interplay between structure and chaos. We've got a really well-defined driving musical structure that gets undermined and highlighted here and there by various tricks (the flute, a robotic voice over, some violins). Lots of people on the internet seem to feel this to be the most definitively "Bowie" track on this disc - I'm not entirely sure what that means, but I really enjoy it.
  3. Black Country Rock - Ya know, this one does nothing for me. The lyrics may be some kind of metaphor, but if so they're not a very compelling one. Musically it's kind of repetitive and I can't help but feel like this is some kind of B-Side filler track. Sorry, David. If anyone disagrees, please let me know below.
  4. After All - This bizarre waltz might be my favorite track on the album. It's musically less engaging than some of the others, and I can see how some people may be put off by the whole "Oh by Jingo" elements. The whole characterization of Powerful Old White Men as "just taller children, that's all" is a nice touch but what really blew me away in this song comes in the last verse. In an album that's been obsessed with the idea of God and People as just children, suddenly we get this brilliant line:
    I sing with impertinence, shading impermanent chords, with my words
    I've borrowed your time and I'm sorry I called
    But the thought just occurred that we're nobody's children At all, after all.

    What a magnificent declaration of freedom and self determination - we are nobody's children. We are our own beings. It's here that I fell in love with this disc - like the first track, this whole album is about growing up. It's about learning to take responsibility for your own existence - on an individual level, on a social level and on a spiritual level. "We're nobody's children at all" may well become my motto.

  5. Running Gun Blues - This song didn't age gracefully - nobody could get away with such a track in this day and age. It's a relic from a time when the "us vs them" between the peace movement and the military was in full swing. It's a loud, hysterical, obnoxious track about a soldier who just loves to kill and who doesn't plan to stop just because the hippies finally ended the war -
    It seems the peacefuls stopped the war
    Left generals squashed and stifled
    But I'll slip out again tonight
    Cause they haven't taken back my rifle
    For I promote oblivion
    And I'll plug a few civilians

    It's the sort of thinking that led to the harsh treatment of the military after Vietnam. It was a chaotic time for everyone, and I think the track has to be understood in that context. That said - this is an album about what it means to be human and sane and alive, and I think it's fair enough to include a character sketch of this kind of sociopath.

    Bowie's larger point seems to be that war is this insane, dehumanizing force - and, especially in Vietnam, it really was. That was a conflict that destroyed the minds and souls of many who fought in it. This song, while perhaps not sensitive to the individual who is turned into this killing machine, nevertheless highlights the inhumanity required to go out and kill for your country.

  6. Saviour Machine - Now here's an interesting track. Musically, I swear this song appeared in some old Nintendo game - the opening riff, which repeats throughout, evokes vague memories of an 8-bit boss fight. Lyrically, we have another interesting story - humanity, in its infinite wisdom, creates a computer to solve all of its problems. Its "logic stopped wars, its answer was law." Predictably, things go wrong -
    How they adored till it cried in its boredom

    'Please don't believe in me, please disagree with me
    Life is too easy, a plague seems quite feasible now
    or maybe a war, or I may kill you all.

    The final message of the song is a restatement of the conclusions of "After All" - "You can't stake your lives on a saviour machine." Once again we get Bowie entreating his listeners to embrace their humanity. This album puts humanity above religion, above nationalism, above social status, above technology - we're nobody's children, after all, so we have to deal with our own problems.

    It's an interesting meditation on the idea that there are no permanent solutions to the human condition. There is no god and we can't build one.

  7. She Shook Me Cold - Here's the other track on this album that I just can't stand. I feel like the character is the same deranged soldier from Running Gun Blues - it's a musically ugly track about this guy getting his head screwed up by a woman. He's been the scourge of many virgins etc but this chick gives him a great blowjob and he can't think straight. Yes, very insightful, David. Moving on.
  8. The Man Who Sold The World - Here finally is the title track - but what does it mean? You've heard the song before, surely. You know the way the notes move up and down like the staircase the character finds himself climbing , and you are familiar with the cryptic, paradoxical lyrics. You just have no @!$%#ing idea what exactly he's trying to say.
    We passed upon the stair, we spoke of was and when
    Although I wasn't there, he said I was his friend
    Which came as some surprise - I spoke into his eyes:
    'I thought you died alone, a long long time ago'

    'Oh no, not me
    I never lost control
    You're face to face
    With the man who sold the world...'

    I feel like, in an album that deals so explicitly with the detachment of an individual from his soul, this song starts to make some sort of sense. Perhaps, if I may speculate, this song takes place on a larger scale - it's about the individual encountering his own humanity. We live and we die, but we always have the choice to embrace The Human Element - we never lost control. We only think we did, because we're so busy dealing with religious taboos or bloody conflict or social regulations or getting over our childhoods or any of the other crap that the tracks on this album try to deal with.

    But it doesn't have to be that way - all of that restriction, all of those chains, are just artifacts of the way we integrate ourselves into the world. But there's another way - we can exchange that world for unmitigated, unnegotiated humanity. We can sell the world in exchange for our souls and our freedom, and in doing so we become gods ourselves.

  9. The Supermen - Which brings us to the Lovecraftian horror of the final track. The Supermen existed when the world was very young, "when mountain magic heavy hung." They were all-powerful and immortal - "woundrous beings chained to life." These aren't humans and their fate isn't one to which we should aspire - this isn't Nietzsche's ubermensch, it's some sort of sad monster condemned to live.
    Where all were minds in uni-thought
    Powers weird by mystics taught
    No pain, no joy, no power too great
    Colossal strength to grasp a fate
    Where sad-eyed merment tossed in slumbers
    Nightmare dreams no mortal mind could hold
    A man would tear his brother's flesh, a chance to die
    To turn to mold.

    Throughout this disc, Bowie has guided us through various chains and antagonistically confronted various fears. It's been obnoxious in parts and exciting in others, but each step of the way I feel like the music and the lyrics have combined to encourage a sort of cosmic freedom.

    What better way to end the disc, then, than with a look at the torment of eternal life? Because after all, what's the last fear to overcome if not the terror of nonexistence? Not that this track makes death an easier pill to swallow, but I like that he seems to be pointing out that not-dying isn't so great either. And isn't that, in the end, the great tragedy?

    This whole album is a passionate, convoluted ritual in service to the freedom of the human spirit. A freedom that wouldn't be complete if we didn't appreciate the inevitability of death and the ultimate liberation of the soul.

Conclusions

If you've stuck with me through all of that I thank you. I really enjoy doing these reviews because I discover a lot of details in these albums that I'd sort of taken for granted. I know that means the reviews get kinda long, but I figure that by now you know what you'll get from me. If you want two paragraphs and a star rating, go somewhere else - I'm much more interested in tearing apart my favorite music and understanding why I love it. If you're interested in the same pursuit then I invite you to stay with me.

As far as this disc goes, what do you think? Am I reading too much into it, or not enough? Did I miss something in Black Country Rock or She Shook Me Cold? How do you feel about this album - does the sort of weird 70's heavy-glam-metal sound of it throw you off? I didn't care for it at first, but it really grew on me.

What's your favorite Bowie? I've been told that I have to check out Hunky Dory, and of course everyone digs Ziggy. The man has an intimidating back catalog that I'll have to delve into a bit more deeply.

I really enjoy this album, though, and I appreciate your taking the time to share the experience with me.

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{"commentId":1278306,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

How do you feel about this disc?

And, how do you feel about these really long reviews? I am asking out of courtesy, nobody seems to read reviews anyway so if I'm going to write one I'm going to put my soul into it since I'm mostly writing it for me.

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Reply#1 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:55 AM EST
{"commentId":1279026,"authorDomain":"emix"}

I think the long review is a great approach, and I hope you keep doing it.

Bowie has been one of my favorites since I first heard Ziggie Stardust, and this album is great too. It's pretty cool that you were able to find most of the songs on YouTube.

I actually sorta like "Black Country Rock," but it's definitely not the best of these songs.

Good work.

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#1.1 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:21 PM EST
{"commentId":3315029,"authorDomain":"mickyw100"}

great review,i am a big bowie fan loved all the early stuff,aladinsane and the lady of the grinning soul, two of my favourites,

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#1.2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1278479,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Nice to see a youngster take an interest in one of the major sources of today's music. Here's one thing you missed, that may (and should) alter your perception of this album.

The war was a secondary theme.

The major theme of the album is madness, as it was inspired in very large part by Bowie's brother, Terry Jones. Terry suffered form a particularly nasty case of schizophrenia and spent most of his life in institutions, eventually committing suicide. It was Terry, though, who influenced David more than any other person, sparking his interests in music and art.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:50 AM EST
{"commentId":1278499,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

huh, thanks Dennis. I didn't come across that fact in my reading on the album.

I definitely see the war as a secondary theme, as a sort of side-effect of the madness intrinsic to the structure of society. I feel like he was dealing with a bit more than just madness, though - he was exploring the very notion of free-will and self-determination, which is I suppose right where madness hits us.

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#2.1 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:56 AM EST
{"commentId":1278639,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Madness is probably the major theme in Bowie's work over his career.

From Space Oddity, with it's themes of isolation and drug abuse, though Aladdin Sane (A lad insane) and even in songs from the 90's, such as Jump, They Say, he always returned to and reworked that theme.

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  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1279128,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

I second those thoughts. Being a geezer I have all of the old Bowie stuff on vinyl and have been a fan since '71 (college buddy's cousin is Tony Visconti who produced a lot of Bowie's stuff, played on a lot of the albums and got us great seats for a lot of shows). I'd be hard-pressed to name my favorite. Obviously, Ziggy, this one and Aladdin Sane from the early period and Scary Monsters later. Aladdin Sane really shows off the smoking guitar work of Mick Ronson on Jean Genie and Panic in Detroit.
Bowie's a very intelligent man who was smart enough to leverage his portfolio by essentially securitizing it and selling what are called "Bowie Bonds". He also made one of the most telling comments ever when he likened a rock concert to the closest approximation of a Nuremberg rally we are likely to see today.

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#2.3 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:46 PM EST
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{"commentId":1278998,"authorDomain":"rightenough"}

I thought "She shook me cold" had some of the most ripping guitar work on the album. I would imagine it is Bowie's answer to the sort of Zellepin/Sabbath vibe that was around the UK at the time. As a guitarist, I suppose the vibes, the music, and the innovation within the music hits me well before the lyrics though.

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Reply#3 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:16 PM EST
{"commentId":1279011,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Mm, that's fair enough. Something about that song just completely shut me down, I never really gave the music enough of a chance. I'll go give it another spin when I get home and see if I can relate.

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#3.1 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:18 PM EST
{"commentId":1279162,"authorDomain":"rightenough"}

I like this old album review idea too. What's next? Can anyone else contribute? Any album that I haven't heard before is new to me, and just as exciting to hear haha. Contextualizing it with the era it was recorded, produced, and released, however, does help make the experience more interesting and insightful.

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#3.2 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:55 PM EST
{"commentId":1279193,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Arlo, check out Listen In. They're the newsvine music group and they organize the publishing schedule etc. I'm not sure if they're currently accepting new members but if you write up a review or two or just a feature article on the subject and send it their way they may enjoy.

And even if they're not accepting members there's nothing stopping you from writing your own! If it's good you'll get readers. I love the idea of old album reviews, personally - exactly, it's always new to me.

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#3.3 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:07 PM EST
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{"commentId":1279156,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

I enjoyed it. More specific thoughts later, but my line of work has taught me implacably that Eternal Youth is not something to strive for either.

Also, that Robert Plant thing was wonderful as well. I really like Bowie.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1281298,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

I enjoy your reviews and am currently incapable of giving feedback on this album. It's good though. I enjoyed it thanks for pointing it out.

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#4.1 - Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:49 AM EST
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{"commentId":1279165,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

Boy, you know...I hate to admit it to all you smart, opinionated guys, but I really just don't like David Bowie's music. Sure, he has catchy hits here and there, but apart from the super-stylized tracks he produced for Labyrinth, it all just sounds the same to me: it always has, and I suspect it always will.

Listening to Bowie has always felt like sleeping with someone you've long suspected was gay, and were never really attracted to in the first place. His particular brand of glam has always felt more like a drag show than a sexual awakening for me, compared, for instance, with the raw @!$%# Mark Bolan puts on me every time he steps up to the mic.

That being said, I'm so glad someone's there to appreciate this icon enough that I no longer have to (pretend to). Myk, I didn't really like "Black Country Rock", either. T. Rex would have done it better.

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Reply#5 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:56 PM EST
{"commentId":1279199,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Blasphemy!

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#5.1 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:09 PM EST
{"commentId":1279221,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Burn the witch!!

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#5.2 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:17 PM EST
{"commentId":1279268,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

T. Rex would have done it better.

Bwah!

You do know that Marc Bolan wouldn't even breathe without Bowie's permission, don't you?

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#5.3 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1279286,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

I don't think I've ever heard a Bowie album in its entirety. You can all commence ignoring me now...

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#5.4 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1279297,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

I knew you men would never understand.

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#5.5 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:40 PM EST
{"commentId":1279312,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Thing is, Ryan, you're comparing apples and the color orange.

Of course Bolan pushes your buttons more than Ziggy. There's a damn good reason for that. Marc was human, Ziggy was a freaking asexual alien.

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#5.6 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:44 PM EST
{"commentId":1279324,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

Dennis, I'll be damned if you didn't just suggest that David Bowie wasn't all about sex and sexuality. It's not "apples to oranges"--it's what appeals to me and what doesn't. You'll be hard pressed to explain away my opinions, friend.

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#5.7 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:48 PM EST
{"commentId":1279345,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

He wasn't.

And I didn't say apples to oranges, I said apples to the color orange. My point is that perhaps the reason you're not finding sexuality in the glam Bowie (Ziggy) is because there's none to be found. Ziggy was about alienation.

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#5.8 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1279358,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

He wasn't.

Uh, of course he was. You think gender-bending and asexuality don't qualify as sexual matter?

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#5.9 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:57 PM EST
{"commentId":1279387,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Sure they do, but Bowie was pretty much done with gender bending at that point.

On his first album he was essentially a folkie. That carried over into Space Oddity, which broke him big in England. The gender bending started with this album, The Man Who Sold the World, and continued through Hunky Dory. Then he disappeared for a little while.

He came back not as Bowie, but as Ziggy. The long hair was gone. The "men's dresses" were gone. He started wearing weird jumpsuits designed by a Japanese designer named Kansai Yamamoto, with orange cropped hair and kabuki makeup. Kabuki meets A Clockwork Orange in the Future.

He was no longer gender bending, he was genderless.

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#5.10 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:07 PM EST
{"commentId":1279428,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

genderless

That rolls really easily off the tongue of a man, but means a lot more than I think you suggest. David Bowie's performance of asexuality was no less sexual, and no less meaningful, but much less appealing to me, than Robert Plant's arena orgasms. I find his music an easy analogue to his asexual acting job.

So what exactly is your point again?

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#5.11 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:16 PM EST
{"commentId":1279462,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

My point was not to debate you on your opinion. You're entitled to it.

My point was to tell you that Ziggy was not only not meant to be sexual, the character was meant to be non-sexual. Comparing Ziggy's sexuality to his protege's (Bolan) or to the overtly sexual Plant is comparing apples to oranges, because there is no sexuality to compare, from Ziggy that is.

So, I'm not surprised that

his particular brand of glam has always felt more like a drag show than a sexual awakening for me, compared, for instance, with the raw @!$%# Mark Bolan puts on me

Because it wasn't meant to be sexual at all.

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#5.12 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:24 PM EST
{"commentId":1279506,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

Oh. So you were just demonstrating your knowledge. That's cool.

there is no sexuality to compare

And all I have to say on your "apples to whatever" contention is that asexuality is still a sexuality--especially when it's being performed by a man who has sex. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that's a man's dress he's wearing on the cover of The Man.

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#5.13 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:37 PM EST
{"commentId":1279525,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Yes, it is, as I mentioned in 5.10. It was after Hunky Dory that he became genderless. Hell, he stopped being David Bowie entirely. Wouldn't answer to the name.

He became Ziggy, on and off stage.

especially when it's being performed by a man who has sex.

Ziggy wasn't a man, he/she/it was an alligator. And he didn't have sex, he "played guitar." heh.

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#5.14 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:41 PM EST
{"commentId":1279533,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

Of course Bolan pushes your buttons more than Ziggy. There's a damn good reason for that. Marc was human, Ziggy was a freaking asexual alien.

Uh, I thought she was talking about Bowie when he was Bowie.

The gender bending started with this album, The Man Who Sold the World, and continued through Hunky Dory. Then he disappeared for a little while.

The article was about The Man... Where and when did his Ziggy days factor into her comment (before you introduced it, that is.)

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  • 2 votes
#5.15 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:43 PM EST
{"commentId":1279556,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

Yeah, Eric's right, Dennis. I never found Bowie's music sexual--even when he intended it to be. It's just...disinterested, or something. Anyway, I'm gonna stop debating the mechanics of my opinion now. Thanks for chatting~

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#5.16 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:49 PM EST
{"commentId":1279576,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Well, for what it's worth, I don't find this album sexual at all. It turns sex into this monstrous act the few times it mentions it, and it's always from a distance and through some kind of a lens. This CD, The Man Who Sold The World, isn't sexy.

I think everyone's right.

Now quit measuring cocks and go listen to your favorite respective music. Yeesh.

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#5.17 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:55 PM EST
{"commentId":1279581,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Eric, she said the "glam Bowie." That was Ziggy.

Before that he wasn't glam. Of course, before Ziggy there was no glam.

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#5.18 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:56 PM EST
{"commentId":1279586,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

Actually, I said "Bowie's brand of glam." :P

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#5.19 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:58 PM EST
{"commentId":1279595,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Uh huh. Which began with Ziggy.

He was a folkie before that, though the music became harder on Oddity and even more so on this album.

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#5.20 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:02 PM EST
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Man, you just have to get the last word in, don't you.

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#5.21 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:08 PM EST
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Well, if you kids are going to be the music writers around here you should know a bit about the history. ;-)

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#5.22 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:11 PM EST
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I concur, Dennis. And I think mutual respect and appreciation go along way when discussing music, especially music outside of ones generation or scope of exposure. Can't we be harmonious? That is a rhetorical question, by the way.
Play nice. Play music. Play nice music:)

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#5.23 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:49 PM EST
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He was a folkie before that,

The Deram Anthology is a good collection of his weird, early folkie children's music.

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#5.24 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:50 PM EST
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his weird, early folkie children's music.

Yeah, that stuff is really bizarre.

But that's one of the things I always loved about Bowie. He's constantly reinventing himself, passing through different genres. It hasn't always been successful, as Bill pointed out about his Thin White Duke period, but even then it wasn't bad.

And thanks, Robin.

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#5.25 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:58 PM EST
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How many of you ever saw Bowie as Thomas Newton in Nic Roeg's The Man Who Fell to Earth? There are some sex scenes in that one with Candy Clark that are freaky to say the least.

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Reply#6 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:02 PM EST
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Yeah, that was a great flick.

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#6.1 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:08 PM EST
{"commentId":1279407,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Yeah it was, Dennis. Have a full-sized movie poster of it in my living room (might be worth a $ or two). I see that they're coming out with a remake. Why, I have no idea since the original was so good. To me Bowie's weakest period was his Thin White Duke turn which followed Ziggy.

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#6.2 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:12 PM EST
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That one's going right into the Netflix queue.

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#6.3 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:13 PM EST
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To me Bowie's weakest period was his Thin White Duke turn which followed Ziggy.

Well, there was a little bit in between, like Halloween Jack. He followed Ziggy with some more great stuff... Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs, most notably. That tour - the Diamond Dogs tour, was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. Astounding.

Then he got soul. Heh. Blue eyed soul. Well, one of them, anyway.

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#6.4 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:18 PM EST
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Yeah, the Diamond Dogs tour was great. Caught the show at Hampton Road Coliseum if memory serves but I kind of lump Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs into the same period as Ziggy and the album covers of both would certainly lend credence to that.

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#6.5 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:49 PM EST
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Great album, thanks for the review. I agree that "Black country rock" is not the strongest track on it.

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    Reply#7 - Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:51 PM EST
    {"commentId":1281021,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

    What's your favorite Bowie? I've been told that I have to check out Hunky Dory, and of course everyone digs Ziggy. The man has an intimidating back catalog that I'll have to delve into a bit more deeply.

    Myk, I meant to address this yesterday. Bowie's music is a continuum, so it's best to hear it in order whenever possible. My advice would be to go back and get Space Oddity and Hunky Dory, then proceed forward from there.

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    Reply#8 - Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:52 AM EST
    {"commentId":1281722,"authorDomain":"tompopp"}

    Thanks Dennis. I'm interested in anything Bowie. From factual information to people's opinions of his talent and career and subjective translations of his work's meaning. It's cool, thanks to Newsvine, that we can do an old review out of nowhere (doesn't have to be inspired by an anniversary or comeback) and there is a responsive audience. I've always said that my "stuck on a desert island - pick one artist's lifetime work" thing would be Bowie. I somehow identify with his voice (the lyrics I don't read into as much) and he's my favorite to sing along to however dorky that sounds.
    I love this album, too.
    I've been listening to him since the late seventies, but as I started it was only the hits and only on radio. I started buying the albums and back catalog when Let's Dance came out. I didn't get into the late seventies album Lodger until I was in my twenties, 15 years later. Lodger is my favorite. I wouldn't say it's his best album, but I like the world music influences and Eno's part in it. Playing it when guests are over, it never fails that someone says, "Is this Bowie? Wow . . .huh!" in a positive tone.

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    Reply#9 - Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:28 AM EST
    {"commentId":1281846,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

    Well, it's Myk's review, but yeah, Lodger is a great album.

    Another time when Bowie disappeared and reemerged later in a different place with a completely diofferent style. This time making three albums in Berlin with Brian Eno. The Eno Trilogy - Heroes/Low/Lodger are very much a collaboration project. Two thirds of what we used to call the "Holy Trinity," Lou Reed being the Father, Bowie the Son, and Eno the Holy Ghost.

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    #9.1 - Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:01 AM EST
    {"commentId":1281876,"authorDomain":"tompopp"}

    Thanks Dennis - Sorry Mykola. Hit on it at Dennis's page, started excitedly reading it, saw all of Dennis's comments and got all mixed up!

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    #9.2 - Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:07 AM EST
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    Oh, no worries, very glad for the discussion!

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    #9.3 - Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:20 AM EST
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    {"commentId":1283497,"authorDomain":"seward"}

    For me, "Heroes" will always be Bowie's "best" album. The Title Track and the sentiments behind it are just awesome. The haunting "Warzawa" grabs you by the throat and just makes you listen, the melancholy and utter desolation the music portrays is almost frightening.

    As regards to other Bowie work, well, of course there's "Ziggy". My favourite track on that album is "Rock'n'Roll Suicide"........'you don't eat when you've lived too long'.........

    Thanks for the review of "The Man who sold the World", however, it is not a personal favourite, I think Lulu's "single" cover version was MUCH better!

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    Reply#10 - Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:32 PM EST
    {"commentId":1283721,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}

    Ah, the return of the Thin White Duke. David Bowie has undergone an amazing transformation. Check out his early '70s interviews on "The Dick Cavett Show" from before he got so... polished ( available on YouTube). His music is amazing. He's now married to the ex-cat walker Iman, and he even donated to the defense fund for the Jena 6 in Louisiana. But the thing that I truly admire about him, that really touched me, is that when the Queen offered him a knighthood he said, "No Thanks." A rock and roll rebel with some integrity. Play on, David Bowie.

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    Reply#11 - Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:20 PM EST
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    The song "the supermen" always brings the chills up my spine.
    There is a great bbc sessions cd that has a live acoustic version, from like 1968(?), which was the 1st version I heard, just thinking of that can do it to me...Do you read Mojo magazine? I have always loved their old album reviews..
    Wonderful article, too bad I didnt read it when it went live...

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    Reply#13 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:34 AM EST
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    Thanks, analog ninja. No, I've not read Mojo. I'll check it out!

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    #13.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:36 AM EST
    {"commentId":1469336,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

    There is a great bbc sessions cd that has a live acoustic version, from like 1968(?),

    1972.

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    #13.2 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:04 AM EST
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