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10 Things George Lucas Did Right with Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

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I said yesterday that I was going to review Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull today. I'm revising that just a bit - there are already a lot of reviews out there, and if you are going to see it you don't care about reviews anyway.

If you're not necessarily planning on seeing it, though, I'd like to think that this article may change your mind. Instead of simply reviewing the film, I'm going to go over a few things that made this movie worth seeing. I had a lot of fear going in that Lucas was, frankly, going to screw it up - he's not known for his talent in successfully rebooting popular franchises, after all. So it was with great relief that I really enjoyed the latest Indy flick - and here's why.

10. He handled the transition from 1930s to 1950s brilliantly.

This was a completely different world with completely different anxieties governing popular sentiment. Rather than dwelling on fascism and the rise of fanatical racist nationalism, this movie dived right into The Red Scare. It's implied that Indy spent the post-war years as a Colonel in military intelligence, spying on the Russians. While meat-headed thugs are still meat-headed thugs, and Indy has to fight his share of them in any movie, the closest we came to Nazis in this movie were the uniformed and serious-looking American troops guarding Area 51 in the beginning.

Even the peaceful, easy sequences are different - they're lit differently, focused slightly softly. It looks like a different world than the earlier movies - because it is.

9. Yes, I said Area 51.

Herein lies the big difference between Indy 4 and its predecessors - not only is Indy older, but the genre of this film has sort of shifted to a different age's pulp fiction. This is apparent from the opening credits to the end of the film - it's like we're watching Indiana Jones in the wrong movie, yet it somehow works.

In the 30's it was all Edgar Rice Burroughs and Robert E. Howard - in the 50s, though, pop culture shifted its attention to Science Fiction and so that's the territory that Lucas plows into. This could have been an unmitigated disaster - he is throwing out the setting, which is almost a character itself in the early Indy films. Amazingly, though, it works - and the best part is watching a 1930's pulp adventure hero hold his own in a 1950s sci-fi setting.

8. He picked a solid supporting cast.

The supporting cast has always been pivotal in Indiana Jones movies - think about how Marcus Brody, Sallah and Marion helped to make Raiders amazing and how Short Round and Willie managed to strangle the life out of Temple, for instance. It looks like Lucas has learned his lesson - not only do we get a few genuinely touching moments in memory of previous characters but we have the return of Marion after all these years. The two of them interacting is simply a joy to watch, and you can literally feel the 20 years of distance between these characters melting away. It's heartwarming.

Joining Marion this time around are Harold Oxley (played by John Hurt and Mutt Williams (Shia LeBeouf - but more on him below). The cast has great chemistry together and they're treated with respect by the script - it works.

7. He cast Shia LeBeouf as Mutt Williams.

My first encounter with Shia LeBouf was Transformers, so you'll excuse me if hearing that he was cast in the role of Mutt Williams in Crystal made me a bit nervous. Much to my relief, though, he simply made the film. A 1950s greaser and motorcycle rebel, he's clever and quick on his feet. This is no Short Round for Indy to babysit - if anything, Mutt is surprised and impressed to realize that Indy can hold his own in a fight.

There's more that I'd like to say about this character, but out of respect for spoilers I'll hold my tongue. Suffice to say that there's a lot to unpack in this character, and to my surprise and astonishment Shia LeBouf pulls it off with quite a bit of class.

6. He let us travel with the Big Red Travel Line.

One of the great tropes of the old Indy Movies is the big Casablanca-style marker-line-over-a-world-map to represent travel. This is a simple point, but I'm glad it was there - it helps set the tone and create an atmosphere of adventure.

5. He didn't overdo the fan service, but it's there.

The Ark of the Covenant pokes out of an overlooked busted crate during a big warehouse fight scene. Photographs of Marcus Brody and Henry Jones, Sr. sit on Indy's desk. A dozen subtle references to the original movies are there - but Lucas refrains from hitting you over the head with them.

I guess this works with the larger theme, right? I mean, if anything this movie is about the passage of time. It's about history, right? At this point, the characters are all historical figures in their own right - and Lucas respects that. There's a gravity to it that's surprisingly touching - keep an eye out for a very brief sequence involving a statue in a college courtyard.

4. He used great special effects.

From a nuclear explosion to a test-run in a jet-car in the middle of a fight scene, the effects are good - and that's just the first 15 minutes. Industrial Light and Magic, Lucas's effects company, is here at the top of their form. Swinging through trees with a troupe of CGI monkeys was perhaps a bit much, but the movie is so much fun we enjoy it.

The bit with the ants, though, was perhaps too believable... let's just say I'm not going on any picnics this summer.

3. He kept his villains simple, evil and inept.

The key to good pulp fiction is that the bad guys simply have to be bad. No conflicted, tortured souls - no quest for villain redemption. We liked Raiders cuz Indy got to stick it to the Nazis, and they kept coming without apologizing.

Well, no Nazis here - but these are ice-cold Reds whose lust for power and control makes them an adequate Nazi replacement. They are evil, stupid and irredeemable - so we have no problem rooting for Indy to demolish them by the dozen. All of the main villains get the obligatory special comeuppance - but I've said too much already. Trust me, the bad guys are done well and you will enjoy them.

2. He used a Big Plot - no Magic Rocks here.

After doing the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail (oh yeah...and some magic rocks...), Lucas was rapidly running out of religious artifacts of great power. So what'd he do?

He upped the stakes. I don't want to say too much on the subject here - the nature of the MacGuffin in this film is such that to discuss it is to spoil it. I guess I'll just say that it deals more with something like this than it does the Old Testament.

The fact remains, though - Jones is after a Big Important Thing that could Change Everything If It Fell Into the Wrong Hands. And that's really what it's all about, isn't it?

1. He let Indy grow up.

This is actually kind of touching. Indy, for all his charm and charisma, was sort of a stale character - not a lot of character growth there. In this film, that changes - we get a slightly more introspective Indy, an Indy more in touch with what matters in life. There are a few great bits of dialog - talking about their divergent paths, Marion says that there "must have been a lot of women" since they were together. Indy's answer is classic.

Another great bit that falls into this category - Mutt sort of unselfconsciously says something to the effect of "Yeah, I heard you were a grave robber or something." Indy balks at this, but then later in the film there's an amusing sequence where he gets excited at an ancient knife in a tomb. He starts to take it while Mutt just gives him a blank stare - so he puts it back.

This is the series growing up. We confront the cavalier attitude towards the lives of others, the cultural colonialism behind Indy's various exploits - we sympathize with one big group of natives, reminiscent of the angry tribe at the beginning of Raiders, that's just trying to protect its home and way of life. This is a modernist tale moving into the very beginnings of a post-modern world - and the film plays with those concepts in a way that's completely down-to-earth and relatable.

At the end of the day, this is going to be remembered as second only to Raiders. There were some scenes and plot devices I didn't really care for - but who cares? This movie succeeded brilliantly in ways that I certainly didn't expect, and I certainly hope that you'll go see it soon.

When you do, feel free to add to this list in the comments below - what did you like about this film? Or, if you didn't like it - what didn't you like?

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{"commentId":1830925,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Anyone else seen this yet? What'd you think? What'd you like? What didn't you like?

Do you agree with me that this is the best one since Raiders?

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  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Thu May 22, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":1831330,"authorDomain":"dustin44444"}

I couldn't disagree more. I saw it last night at the midnight screening and thought it was silly and inept from almost the first frame. I feel like most of the problems stem from the script, which contains its fair share of crummy dialogue, boring exposition and predictable plot twists.

While watching this film, I was reminded of the scene in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, where they're shooting Good Will Hunting 2 and Gus Van Sant can't be bothered to look up from counting his pile of money. That's how I pictured Steven Spielberg on the set of this film. It felt to me like they were all just phoning this thing in.

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  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Thu May 22, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":1841350,"authorDomain":"softfacts"}

I gotta side with dustin on this one. The Gus Van Sant analogy is spot-on. This movie is a friggin' mess from top to bottom. The plotline is a gloriously incoherent X-Files hand-me-down peppered with some equally soulless action sequences that fail to deliver any thrills. I never could have thought it possible that two hours of Kate Capshaw shrieking would ever get top billing over Indy's other adventures but, hey, here we are...

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  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
{"commentId":1844557,"authorDomain":"indecent"}

Sieb and I saw it Saturday (he's an uber fan...the boy lives for 80's movies).

I was most impressed with several things you mentioned above, but perhaps most impressive to me was their ability to make it look and feel like the others - it didn't feel like a 2008 movie to me (besides the fact I grew up watching Shia on Even Stevens on Disney). The car chase through the jungle was amazing. Except for the monkey scene.

I have to say though...I hated the ending. Hated it.

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  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Tue May 27, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
{"commentId":1847182,"authorDomain":"softfacts"}

For me, it's stuff like that jungle chase that exemplifies everything that's wrong with Lucas' newfound filmmaking approach. Lucas has developed an abusive relationship with CGI that's been nothing but a detriment to his recent work. As much as it might "look good" it doesn't bare any resemblance whatsoever to reality. It's glaringly cartoonish and there's absolutely no real sense of danger. Nobody is fooled into believing that something like this could ever happen outside of a Looney Tunes feature.

On the other side of that, one of my favorite movie scenes ever occurs toward the end of Raiders when Indy chases down the Nazi's as they split with the Ark loaded on a truck. He rides after it on horseback, leaping onto a speeding vehicle and negotiating his way along the outside to the cab. Fisticuffs naturally ensue and Indy finds himself on the short end of the stick after the driver tosses him through the windshield and leaves him dangling precariously from the front grill. So when the driver speeds up to ram a car ahead of him and crush the life out of our hero it appears that he is legitimately and thoroughly boned. But Indy has a trick up his sleeve as he drops down below the undercarriage and monkey-bars himself to the rear of the truck all the while being dragged down a ragged, dusty, road... but none of this is computer trickery. It's professional stuntmen undertaking some legitimately dangerous feats and it translates into genuine tension and excitement that a simple sword fight in front of an obvious green-screen will never reproduce.

Still, I'd gladly swallow down gallons of the this computer-generated bull@!$%# if it meant I didn't have to cope with a plotline that can't bother with even pretending to make a lick of sense or one-dimensional characters reading silly, awful, dialog. Frankly, I'm shocked that this film is somehow immune to the criticisms that were heaped on the The Prequels when the two share such remarkably similar DNA...

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  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed May 28, 2008 6:14 AM EDT
{"commentId":1847278,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

Frankly, I'm shocked that this film is somehow immune to the criticisms that were heaped on the The Prequels when the two share such remarkably similar DNA...

Well I think you have to look at what the original movies did. There are people out there that actually record their religion as Jedi all over the world. The original Star Wars movies were the source of a cult-like inspiration that lead to countless derivative works and sort of worked on a different level.

The original three Indy movies were adventure movies. Sure, they were adventure movies that seemed to grab wide audiences in ways few other franchises were able to, but I don't think anybody expected any life changing experiences out of this new one.

Yeah, the jungle vine bit was the worst scene in the movie but all the rest of it was damn entertaining as long as you weren't expecting it to be ground-breaking or earth-shattering.

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  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Wed May 28, 2008 7:45 AM EDT
{"commentId":1847366,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

...err, for what it's worth I liked the prequels. ;)

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  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Wed May 28, 2008 8:25 AM EDT
{"commentId":1847448,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

You liked the third Matrix movie too =p

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    #1.7 - Wed May 28, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1847480,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

    Sho' did, but #2 was my favorite.

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      #1.8 - Wed May 28, 2008 9:11 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1847574,"authorDomain":"jeremyemalheim"}

      Very well said Eric.

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      • 2 votes
      #1.9 - Wed May 28, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1847906,"authorDomain":"softfacts"}

      Ugh. Jesus Christ, please don't get me started on the Matrix now, too, on top of this Prequel revelation. My blood pressure is already so high I'm lactating the stuff.

      Anyway... While Raiders of the Lost Ark was definitely paying homage to campy adventure serials what really set it apart was that the protagonist wasn't just some steel-jawed meathead who never missed a shot and never found trouble he couldn't solve with his fists. Indiana Jones took his share of ass-whoppings and his cunning plans to thwart the enemy frequently turned to @!$%#. He probably owed his life more to dumb luck than to being smarter or stronger than everyone else, but most important of all was that his character was painted with the same idiosyncrasies and irrational flaws that makes us all human. Indiana Jones felt more beautifully alive than most everything else you'd come to expect in this genre.

      Here was a guy who would stand alone against a roomful of armed killers but would whimper like schoolkid at the sight of a single snake... Here was a guy who was so absolutely devoted to preserving historic artifacts that he'd risk Nazi domination rather than destroy one.... Here was a guy whose convictions positively demanded he help an entire village of people he'd never met in his life but not before cheating a card game against a twelve-year-old kid... Now Lucas has relegated him to just another bland action-hero who stumbles from set-piece to set-piece shrugging off the certain-death that lies in wait on every other page of a preposterous script. He deserves better than that and so does the audience.

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      • 4 votes
      #1.10 - Wed May 28, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1848544,"authorDomain":"jeremyemalheim"}

      whose convictions positively demanded he help an entire village of people he'd never met in his life

      Wasn't the whole film about him helping his friend that had disappeared?

      felt more beautifully alive than most everything else

      I thought his interactions with Mutt and Marion showed a very human side.

      Not that I am going to convince you one way or another. But I that is the way I saw it.

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      • 3 votes
      #1.11 - Wed May 28, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1848614,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

      Indiana Jones took his share of ass-whoppings and his cunning plans to thwart the enemy frequently turned to @!$%#.

      Do you forget how the movie opened? Or that he spent a good chunk of the movie captured at Russian gunpoint?

      Here was a guy who would stand alone against a roomful of armed killers but would whimper like schoolkid at the sight of a single snake...

      "Call it a rope?"

      Here was a guy who was so absolutely devoted to preserving historic artifacts that he'd risk Nazi domination rather than destroy one....

      Heavily decorated war hero mouthing off to the FBI?

      I really don't think you're allowing Indy to age here. 20 years of counterintelligence against Soviet Union, 20 years additional life experience, recently losing his father and his best friend... This isn't the same person that found and lost the Holy Grail. He spent large portions of the movie teaching Mutt how to not be as impetuous as Indy himself used to be.

      "Why don't you stick around, ?"

      "Why didn't you, ?"

      Indy is at a point in his life where he no longer needs adventure, and this is directly contrasted here with Mutt, possessing the fire and spirit Indy had as a young man first setting out. As much as we might want him to be, Indiana Jones is not Peter Pan, and he has indeed grown up.

      Taken in full view, I don't think the character is less compelling for that.

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      • 5 votes
      #1.12 - Wed May 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1848648,"authorDomain":"softfacts"}

      Wasn't the whole film about him helping his friend that had disappeared?

      He's actually tasked with retrieving a sacred stone, discovering what happened to the kidnapped children of the village, and hopefully finding a secluded spot to dismember Kate Capshaw along the way...

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      • 3 votes
      #1.13 - Wed May 28, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1848664,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

      Wasn't the whole film about him helping his friend that had disappeared?

      He's actually tasked with retrieving a sacred stone, discovering what happened to the kidnapped children of the village, and hopefully finding a secluded spot to dismember Kate Capshaw along the way...

      I believe Jeremy was talking about the new movie.

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        #1.14 - Wed May 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1848877,"authorDomain":"jeremyemalheim"}

        Yes I was. Thanks Eric.

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          #1.15 - Wed May 28, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1849898,"authorDomain":"softfacts"}

          Do you forget how the movie opened? Or that he spent a good chunk of the movie captured at Russian gunpoint?

          I recall that the nation's most closely guarded secrets were left in the care of something like two soldiers. I also recall something about how the government had kidnapped a history teacher to sift through the wreckage of an incredibly advanced alien spacecraft. Then I remember something about Indy being used to locate a box the Russians have absolutely no earthly reason to believe whatsoever he's even capable of finding in the first place. Oh, and then there was this skull/supermagnet so powerful that it even sucks up gold (!?) and yet somehow doesn't work in a flimsy burlap sack. In fact, that incredibly-powerful magnetism goes pretty much unseen for the rest of the film after fulfilling it's sole purpose of allowing Indy to find it in a silly fashion. Also, I seem to remember Indy making some sly nod to his age with a line about how things are "not as easy as they used to be" just before hopping in a refrigerator and surviving an atomic blast at ground zero... An atomic blast... Then I'm fairly certain George Lucas jumped out from the row behind and teabagged me but it's possible I dreamt that part up.

          I want to go on but it absolutely hurts my brain to try and make any sense of this film. I want reasonably cohesive storytelling and characters who evolve beyond their "Guy With Motorcycle, Switchblade" and "Love Interest From Better Movie" summaries. The franchise has always suffered from momentary lapses in logic in the form of sunlight-activated blow darts, emergency raft parachutes, and the occasional "invisible" stone bridge but it's never been anything like the scope or sheer flagrancy that Kingdom exhibits. If we're just going to these films for the chance to watch Harrison Ford make that little half-smile and maybe fist-fight some mermen at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, fine, but I really think the other entries in this franchise brought a richer experience to the table...

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          • 3 votes
          #1.16 - Wed May 28, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1862715,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

          The franchise has always suffered from momentary lapses in logic

          Um, yeah, to say the least. But that was always part of its charm: the grandiose absurdity of it all which never bothered to ask you to suspend disbelief, but rather demanded it. The original three were hokey, campy, and generally fairly predictable. Their magic was largely in the charm of the characters and in the devil-may-care race ahead from one improbable situation to another. This latest installment maintained those traits, albeit with a slightly more mature Indy and slightly more immature sidekick. The plot was about as cohesive as other Indy movies ("Indiana must retrieve sacred relic from bad guys and locate mysteriously lost friend, while keeping a kid out of trouble and kindling a romance" ) and the characters in this series never really evolve while on camera. One thing I was glad of, actually, was that having a kid in tow didn't make Indy into a complete sap, though he struggles a bit with how he is supposed to be, now. He has changed over the last twenty years while we weren't looking, but he doesn't do a ridiculous mid-film transformation into uber-role model (which would have been truly unbelievable).

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          • 5 votes
          #1.17 - Fri May 30, 2008 9:31 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":1831015,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

          I'll be seeing it this weekend, but you have eased my mind a great deal. I was terrified, as you were, that Lucas would ruin it. So thanks for that sigh of relief.

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          • 3 votes
          Reply#2 - Thu May 22, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1841353,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

          ...and I did see it, and I think I agree with you. Of course, I was pretty fond of "The Last Crusade", but this one is at least as good as that. The old spirit was there, despite the new sci-fi slant, and it was impressive to see an older Indy still believably hold his own in the action. Seeing him take a kid under his wing was really sweet, and the reunion with Marion was wonderful. The monkeys were definitely a bit cheesy, and my husband complained about the lack of character development (though I countered with how character development was never a selling point of the Indy genre). Overall, a wonderful addition to the series.

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          • 1 vote
          #2.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":1831285,"authorDomain":"ForestBrowne"}

          Exactly,

          I'm more excited than ever and I will find the time.

          Forest

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#3 - Thu May 22, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1831385,"authorDomain":"SandyFrost"}

          I went to a midnight showing last night and you are right on. It was fun and built on all three movies brilliantly. I did think that Cate Blanchett did have a trouble or two with the Russian accent but she was otherwise a great "bad," uh, individual. I thought that Spielberg's treatment of the Russian pursuit of things psychic was accurate and is still applicable today. The nuclear blast scene was disturbingly real, as it should be.
          Overall, it was entertaining, eye-opening and enlightening through what I viewed as spiritual messages that can be found in the entire series. I also think that the movie made a statement about how important it is for educators to bridge between the classroom and the hands-on practice of whatever it is they are teaching.
          With the other movies, I think the overall point is that sacred objects, their associated spiritual practices and the associated power should not be used for political or military advantage. I think that this is what Indy "crusades" against.
          I particularly enjoyed the historical dialog provided by Indy about his past and thoroughly enjoyed the last scene. Like a cherry on a sundae.
          The movie was deliciously satisfying and well worth the wait.
          Sandy

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          • 5 votes
          Reply#4 - Thu May 22, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1841976,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

          It was sweet, wasn't it?

          I feel like there's a lot to unpack in it - maybe when the DVD comes out I'll write a follow-up piece to explore some of the more academic implications of the film. There really are a lot of ideas cramped into there on the nature of the sacred, the role of history and the meaning of life - even if it's presented in a sorta goofy sorta campy way.

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          • 2 votes
          #4.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2034692,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

          I find I agree.

          I imagine it ends the franchise though.

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            #4.2 - Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":1831416,"authorDomain":"stroheim-cornell"}

            I saw it at midnight aswell and as a long time fan of the series I have to say I enjoyed it. I agree there were some parts of the film that felt a lil hollow but overall I was impressed with the film and if you take into account that the first two were done to be a modern version of the movie serials of the 30's and 40's, then it was only logical to bring in the styling of the serials of the 50's for this one as was stated above. You can't expect the world to stay the same in the film after 19 years of time given that it is based in our own history. The film really caught the climate even though subtle very well in that in that time everyone was scared that anyone could have been a "red" as it were. So I highly agree with the writer of this colum go see the film and enjoy it is a true gem.

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            • 5 votes
            Reply#5 - Thu May 22, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
            {"commentId":1841978,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

            Thanks a lot, JonR! I'm glad you enjoyed the film and I'm glad you liked the review. It really coulda been a lot worse, eh?

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            • 1 vote
            #5.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":1831975,"authorDomain":"bob-14"}

            Great flick, and holds up against Raiders, even better on a more aged level, like fine wine. We all loved Raiders because everything was so fresh. Here we "return the to fridge and take out that last saved slice of pizza with triple everything on it and we enjoy it better than the first slice" (& with that aforementioned aged glass of vino).
            Glad that it was written the way it was. Only part that was glossed over was the McCarthism (the Red Menace)... for the over 55 crowd we knew exactly what was being said here.
            Only part that got to me was the ant scene because it could have happened -- glad that it was as carefully done as it was (& no nightmares tonight, thank-you). Thanks for the characters growth -- good to see them come full circle. Would see this movie at least a couple more times.
            Thank you George, Steven, and Harrison -- job well done!

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            • 1 vote
            Reply#6 - Thu May 22, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
            {"commentId":1841982,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

            Artist Bob, thanks for your thoughts. You're right - if they had tried to make it the same as the others I think that would have been a mistake. I'm really glad they worked the passage of time into their script and themes, it made for a much more mature film - if that's the right way to describe an Indy adventure.

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              #6.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":1832302,"authorDomain":"talkingm"}
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              ...I don't know how to critique it without giving spoilers...but I didn't like it much at all. The Last Crusade is still my favorite. Oh @!$%# it...i'm going to spoil one scene...

              Shia Douche swings on vines and the monkeys in the trees help him because he has the same hair cut. Eff you Lucas. Eat a dick. Stop skull-f***ing my childhood heroes.

              /end rant

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              Reply#7 - Thu May 22, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
              {"commentId":1841987,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

              Eh, I get not liking it and yeah that scene was a bit irritating - but your ranting comments are really kinda pushing the line. I won't delete it but this isn't really a forum for that sort of personal attack, even at someone who isn't a viner. Cool?

              Anyway thanks for the feedback, and your rage is understood.

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                #7.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
                {"commentId":1843552,"authorDomain":"talkingm"}

                Sorry, I just get irritated when Lucas is brought up. I've heard enough first hand stories about his antics when it comes to the people he works with (esp. the artists of star wars) that would make anyone loathe him.

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                  #7.2 - Tue May 27, 2008 4:39 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":1832438,"authorDomain":"Bruner"}

                  I really liked the movie, particularly because they imitated that genre of movies perfectly. It was completely different from the previous Indy movies in the whole feel of it. This came closer to a sci-fi film than anything which is odd. You think of Indiana Jones you don't think of Sci-fi, but it was. You can definitely tell they were no longer imitating the 30s serials and went to the 50s B-movie genre. The fears of the age are also hit upon amazingly well (a-bomb).

                  I had been paying attention to the possible plot ideas for the film ever since filming began. I was very leery of how they were going to handle it. But Spielberg did a great job. Yes over the top, but come on you had faces melting in the first one. They did not try to make this look like the other ones or make a half assed try to recreate them. This is the pitfall most sequels fall into; National Treasure 2, and the Rush Hours. They took a major risk in almost changing the genre.

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                  Reply#8 - Thu May 22, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":1841990,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                  Exactly right - this one feels like they took a risk, and I don't think that a lot of people appreciate that. I mean it could have been a lot more formulaic but instead they rewrote the script and came up with something that was damn near original. Who saw that one coming?

                  I have a lot of respect for that.

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                    #8.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":1832542,"authorDomain":"dotdot"}

                    The other cool thing about this movie is that it probably will save us from another American Graffiti. :-)

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                    Reply#9 - Thu May 22, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":1832633,"authorDomain":"DrJuice"}

                    I just saw it today and I enjoyed it. Not the same way I enjoyed There Will Be Blood or No Country for Old Men, but I thought it was fun.

                    And no, it is not the best Indiana Jones ever. I'm not sure why people expect that, especially after how 19 years in between (remember Phantom Menace?). I have fond memories of the original Indy films (especially Holy Grail: "We named the dog Indiana") and frankly there's no way anything can live up to said fond memories.

                    Still, I thought it was fun, which is what these films have always been. Something like National Treasure: Book of Secrets, on the other hand . . . in this life or the next I'm going to get those 2 hours back and use it for something more productive and entertaining, like developing a crack habit.

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                    Reply#10 - Thu May 22, 2008 11:27 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":1842924,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                    Definitely not the best ever, but I do think that I liked it even more than Crusade.

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                      #10.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":1832636,"authorDomain":"wwcarlsagand"}

                      The Good:

                      The chemistry between the three main characters is pretty good. Where has Karen Allen been? I thought she really held her own, and her strong performance makes the back story hold together. I still got that same feeling of optimism I remember feeling when I saw the first films.

                      The Bad:

                      This movie was much more 'fantasy' than the others--to the point of being farcical. The monkeys were silly, and only the fact that it was John Hurt kept me from giving up on the Oxley character. I get the sense that Lucas (or some poor soul on his production staff) must fight a hard battle to keep the 'Jar-Jar' part of his personality at bay.

                      The Awesome:

                      6. He let us travel with the Big Red Travel Line.

                      One of the great tropes of the old Indy Movies is the big Casablanca-style marker-line-over-a-world-map to represent travel. This is a simple point, but I'm glad it was there - it helps set the tone and create an atmosphere of adventure.

                      My son (age 8) leaned over and told me he "knew they were going to end up in South America as soon as they headed south from Mexico". I always thought those scenes were cool when I was a kid, and they spurred my interest in geography. Seems like every time I look at a map, I spend a quick second visualizing my route as a bold red line just like in the Indiana Jones movies of my youth.

                      Maybe the coolest movie cliche ever.

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                      Reply#11 - Thu May 22, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":1842929,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                      Karen Allen was great, I enjoyed the way they had a "What have you been doing since Raiders?" scene. I felt like she was both Karen and Marion during that conversation, defending herself.

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                      #11.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":1833795,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

                      I can't wait to see it but haven't yet.

                      By the way, Mykola, I just read Breakfast of Champions last week. Just finished For Whom the Bell Tolls by Hemingway and the next book on my list is Slaughterhouse Five. Aren't you proud of me?

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                      Reply#12 - Fri May 23, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":1842801,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

                      I guess he's NOT proud of me. :' (

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                      #12.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":1842933,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                      Good work, Phae. Write a review.

                      Had a chance to see the new Indy yet? Let us know what you thought!

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                      #12.2 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":1833980,"authorDomain":"rob-7"}

                      Outstanding review..er.....comentary. Finally a review written by a true fan for true fans. not the overstuffed pompus reviews by those still looking, or those hoping not to find that perfect motion picture. heaven forbid they should be truthful and deeply honest in their review.
                      As I suspected waiting and wondering and hopingis finally at an end. I can look forward to a wonderfully entrancing thrill ride with my family.

                      Thank You.

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                      Reply#13 - Fri May 23, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":1842937,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                      Thanks a lot, Robert!

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                        #13.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":1835651,"authorDomain":"pidjs"}

                        I enjoyed this movie a great deal. They only made one or two GLARING errors.

                        **DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN"T SEEN THIS MOVIE YET!!!**

                        Error #1: The fridge/nuke sequence. TOO over-the-top for me. If the military police had found Indy unconscious, it might have made it okay, but for a 60-year-old Indy to walk away unscathed from being hurled such a distance by such a force in a heavy kitchen appliance was crossing the line a bit.

                        Error #2: The monkey-and-vine sequence made me squirm a bit, too.

                        I don't want to nit-pick too much; it's supposed to be a fun action film that doesn't take itself too seriously. However, I think that if Lucas and Spielberg had made a pact not to utilize CGI for any of the stunt sequences and had done them the old fashioned way, this film would be just as good as any other in the series.

                        Cutting the nuke/fridge bit and using the time to develop additional interaction and dialouge between Indy and Marion (who was sadly under-utilized in this film) would have been a little bit that would have gone a LONG way towards making this a truly memorable film. Sometimes it's only a couple of little things that make all the difference.

                        For me, the CGI got a wee bit out of hand. It was terrific to use for creating the alien effects and supernatural plot elements, etc, but one trademark of the Indy films has been the grunts-and-hard-knocks stunt work. The fights and chase sequences never went too far into the unbelievable realm, because the laws of physics still applied wthout the aid of computer. Compare the acrobatic, fluid sword fight sequence in CRYSTAL SKULLS with the rocky, off-balance brawl on top of the tank in LAST CRUSADE and you can see what I'm trying to say. Leave the computer-manipulated visual effcts to the supernatural elements of the film, but don't "monkey" with the stunts.

                        I wouldn't put this one ahead of LAST CRUSADE, and I'm not sure where to put it in relation to TEMPLE OF DOOM. However, it isn't a disaster by any means, and you hit it right on the money when you said that the best part of this film is that they let Indy grow up. Amen. Ford nailed his character at this stage of life just perfectly. A treat to watch. If they had used Marion a bit more to develop the story and if they had used a bit more restraint in some of the action sequences, it would have earned that next-to-RAIDERS berth. As it is, it makes a fun addition to the series and only makes everyone's favorite archaeologist that much more endearing.

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                          Reply#14 - Fri May 23, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":1841112,"authorDomain":"Toriach"}

                          I agree with your comments. However this is another significant one that I think you over looked. To me this is the first time that Indy really feels like a teacher, as well as an explorer. Previously it just seemed like a neat throw away bit to make his character a bit different. This time when he is lecturing on the difference between a sand pit and quicksand it feels like an integral part of his character.

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                          Reply#15 - Mon May 26, 2008 6:47 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":1842941,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                          Yeah, that kinda touches on some stuff that I didn't really want to get into due to spoilers, but...

                          Well, I mean, it's Indy as a father-figure instead of as a perpetual rebel son figure. I thought that was a really interesting avenue to explore.

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                            #15.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":1841412,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

                            Yeah, it was an incredibly fun movie. I think I still put it at third favorite, but it's a close third. Not a distant third like Temple was (it's now just a distant fourth.)

                            Also, is anyone else really amused that Shia Labeuof's character picked the name "Mutt"?

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                            Reply#16 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":1841614,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                            Also, is anyone else really amused that Shia Labeuof's character picked the name "Mutt"?

                            I laughed quite a bit.

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                            #16.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":1841642,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

                            Late to the party, but agreed. I'll also add that Harrison Ford is still a stunner, and I'm glad they didn't shy him away from stunts. It was pretty great to watch him scale a wall of crates and wonder if, at 22, I could pull that off.

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                            Reply#17 - Mon May 26, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":1842945,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                            You can scale my wall of crates any time, baby. ;)

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                            #17.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":1841814,"authorDomain":"jeremyemalheim"}

                            I agree with you Myk. I thought it was a great movie. There were a few moments of silliness, but over all it was an excellent experience.

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                            Reply#18 - Mon May 26, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":1841993,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                            Thanks and I'm glad you enjoyed it!

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                            #18.1 - Mon May 26, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":1843480,"authorDomain":"hemphill"}

                            My crowd was not impressed. On the whole I wish I had listened to that little voice in the back of my head that kept chanting 'this man made episode 1'.

                            After reading your article though, you are right on some spots. He did get the 30's to 50's conversion spot on. Shia LeBouf was a good call, as were the rest of the supporting cast.

                            Overall though I wouldn't recommend paying full price for it to anyone. Video will be fine for this one, as will the 2 dollar discount bin in a couple years.

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                            Reply#19 - Tue May 27, 2008 2:45 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":1844023,"authorDomain":"jeremyemalheim"}

                            I think you bring up a good point. Many people won't judge this movie based on its merits alone. There will be a bunch of "look what he did to Star Wars after all those years" and "the man doesn't know how to make movies anymore" rhetoric. Which is too bad. I don't think it will be conscious for everyone, but it will be there for some audience members.

                            The other problem is that is has been almost 20 years since Crusade. No matter how good a movie is, it is tough to live up to the anticipation most fans have after that long.

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                              #19.1 - Tue May 27, 2008 9:58 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":1844065,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

                              Details? What didn't you like?

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                                #19.2 - Tue May 27, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":1844225,"authorDomain":"hemphill"}

                                What I didn't like, ok. The hallmark light treatment for the whole flick was uncalled for. The mushroom cloud scene with wind blowing in his face as he watches was just bad. The chase scene was cribbed from an ewok movie. The big destruction scene had chunks where I forgot that I was watching an indy flick and thought I had wondered into national treasure by mistake. The big earth shattering surprise, I guess spielberg just couldn't pass it up, kept expecting the music to go to a single note synth mix. And the ending was just wrong, to me it showed that lucas has no grasp of the character. The perpetual one liners got old real quick and made the whole film seem like a kid trying way too hard to suck up. The cgi was overdone, why bother with sets when you can use a blue room for the whole thing.

                                I would put myself in the "the man doesn't know how to make movies anymore" camp. I for one won't be watching anything else with lucas' name on it.

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                                #19.3 - Tue May 27, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":1844331,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                                I dunno, I mean I see where you're coming from but I guess I'd suggest you go into it with a more generous mindset.

                                You could look at the "hallmark light treatment" as irritating or you could see it as an homage to the 1950s era he was satirizing. Same goes for the nuke blast - it works on multiple levels. There's nothing more 1950s than fear of atomic holocaust, so having Indy survive one in essentially hand-to-hand combat is over the top, sure, but it's also a statement about the continued relevance of classical fictional conventions in the face of a changing world.

                                Not sure what you didn't like about the chase scene - it was a bit goofy, sure, but it was exciting and tongue in cheek and gave Shia LeBouf a chance to show off his character. I mean, if you let it, it's really exciting to see this next generation picking up where the last one left off - ya know?

                                The big destruction scene and the effects - no, they're explicitly not standard Indy fare. This was a 1950s sci-fi adventure parody, and so they used tropes that belonged to that genre. It's just like the opening credits did away with the traditional big orange font - it's a different kind of movie.

                                Finally, as far as "knowing the character" - man, 20 years went by. Haven't you changed a bit in the past 20 years? I @!$%#ing loved the way they ended it, it turns 28 years of Indiana Jones on its head and shows that the character changed and grew.

                                I'm not at all saying that you're not perfectly entitled to your opinions, especially in matters of aesthetic judgment - by all means, hate it if you must. But I think that with a more generous approach there's a lot to enjoy in this film - it's all about what you want to bring into it.

                                Ya know?

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                                #19.4 - Tue May 27, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":1844465,"authorDomain":"displayname"}

                                I don't know--I think the light treatment was there because of all the cgi backgrounds, which I thought were unnecessary and cheap looking (but I generally dislike cgi).

                                Where the movie broke down for me, though, was the writing. I mean, come on, Indy actually says to Mutt at one point, "Looks like you brought a knife... (dramatic pause) to a gun fight." Seriously?

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                                #19.5 - Tue May 27, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":1844513,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                                It was a metajoke! Sean Connery? Come on! ;)

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                                #19.6 - Tue May 27, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":1844646,"authorDomain":"displayname"}

                                I guess I missed/forgot that. Either way, I still didn't like it, but to each his own.

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                                  #19.7 - Tue May 27, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":1844845,"authorDomain":"hemphill"}

                                  I can see your points, but my generosity towards the man was mostly burned out by the last three star wars flicks.

                                  As a '1950s sci-fi adventure parody' it was fine, but I went to see an Indy flick.

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                                    #19.8 - Tue May 27, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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                                    {"commentId":1846032,"authorDomain":"yasmin"}

                                    I really liked it. At first the sci-fi angle bugged me, but after I put it into perspective, I kind of gave it a pass. Even the cheesy monkey scene gets a pass when you think about the cartoons of the time period and such. I still hated the scene and somewhat ruined Shia's battle before it, which was all kinds of great. Hands down one of my favorite scenes had to do with the snake. Talk about mixing the old with the new.

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                                    Reply#20 - Tue May 27, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":1846295,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

                                    There are a few great bits of dialog - talking about their divergent paths, Marion says that there "must have been a lot of women" since they were together. Indy's answer is classic.

                                    Missed that in the first read.

                                    That was probably one of my favorite parts of the movie.

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                                    Reply#21 - Tue May 27, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":1864382,"authorDomain":"razadoro57"}

                                    You sound very forgiving of this movie. A lot of the things you mentioned being right about it I found wrong. All in all a subpar effort on Spielberg's and Lucas' part. But judging by the worldwide box office many people felt the same as you.

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                                      Reply#22 - Sat May 31, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
                                      {"commentId":1905254,"authorDomain":"the-pitytorium"}

                                      You sound very forgiving of this movie. A lot of the things you mentioned being right about it I found wrong.

                                      Yeah, me too.

                                      You liked the atomic bomb, Mykola? Really?

                                      ...really?

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                                        #22.1 - Thu Jun 5, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":1909804,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

                                        Hey, I went into it expecting to hate it completely - and I was pleasantly surprised to find it not only watchable but reasonably intelligent and even interpretable in parts. Astounding.

                                        Did I "like" the nuke? I'm not sure how to answer that. But I do like my interpretation of why they make Indy ride the nuke blast - the whole deal about 1930s standards of heroism and masculinity surviving 1950s fears of communism and nukes, etc. I find it interesting that something I expected to be complete drivel turned around and hit me with ideas, of all things.

                                        So, I dunno. Was it a great movie? Hell no, but that was too much to ask for. Was it another Indiana Jones? No, but at least it didn't pretend to be - it set out to present something altogether different, and I appreciated it. Was it a lot better than it could have been? Definitely.

                                        Was the nuke silly? Sure. So what? As a metaphor it worked for me, and as an over-the-top action sequence it...well, it jumped the shark, sure - but I'm ok with it.

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                                        #22.2 - Fri Jun 6, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":1922534,"authorDomain":"the-pitytorium"}

                                        Did I "like" the nuke? I'm not sure how to answer that. But I do like my interpretation of why they make Indy ride the nuke blast - the whole deal about 1930s standards of heroism and masculinity surviving 1950s fears of communism and nukes, etc. I find it interesting that something I expected to be complete drivel turned around and hit me with ideas, of all things.

                                        I suppose interpreted in that way it wasn't complete drivel, but I feel like these themes might have been adequately presented in a much less ridiculous manner. Aside from being a metaphor, it was, as you note, the movie's first big action sequence. As such, surviving in the fridge was a huge cop-out to a respectable build up of tension and it signified the point at which things took a decisive turn for the worse.

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                                        #22.3 - Sun Jun 8, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":2034760,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

                                        I remember an old black and white movie where a little girl or a teenage boy (not sure which) survived a nuke in a fridge. Because they'd been locked out of the bombshelter. They were too slow. I had just always assumed that a fridge was like a substitute bombshelther.

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                                          #22.4 - Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":1873529,"authorDomain":"pto-prez"}

                                          I agree with it definately being a movie worth seeing, however, during the first 20 minutes I was waiting for the "breathless" beginning. All three of the previous movies had me holding my breath during the beginning sequence that was always so well choreographed and got you into the mood of the show, however, the first 20 minutes of this 4th installment seemed to lack that for me. When Indy first came on screen, however, everyone in the theater clapped and cheered...that is always awesome!

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                                          Reply#23 - Mon Jun 2, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
                                          {"commentId":1873733,"authorDomain":"simon-54"}

                                          I have to completely disagree with Dustin. The Indy movies aren't meant to have deep moral messages, or social political statements, they're just simple and fun. They take us back to a time and genre that was simple (albeit campy) and just purely entertaining. It seems that nowadays too many people want all movies to be realistic and intrinsically deep in meaning. We get enough of that through the news and the overload of reality tv shows. Sometimes stories just give us a moment in time to forget the world around us and laugh a little, cheer a little and say "hoorah" for the hero/heroine. I was thoroughly entertained by this movie as much as I have been by much more serious subjects in film. Two thumbs wwaaayyy up to Lucas and Spielberg. Keep bringing us back to the inner child of our youths.

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                                            Reply#24 - Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:29 AM EDT
                                            {"commentId":1909484,"authorDomain":"dustin44444"}

                                            Hey don't get me wrong, I like action movies, kung fu movies, spaghetti westerns and many varieties of shallow genre stuff. Just recently I really enjoyed Iron Man. However, there's one kind of movie I don't like and those are @!$%#ty movies. Which is exactly what Indy 4 was.

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                                            #24.1 - Fri Jun 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
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                                            I think the script hit the nail on the head with Cold War anxieties in Cate Blanchett's character's lines about the "psychic research." -- "You vill become us, and you von't even know it." Something to that effect. I loved that aspect of the movie, the retrospective look at the Cold War. And it is relevant to today's fears of Islamic insurgency, too.

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                                            Reply#25 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:08 AM EDT
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